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Q: what does apt install firefox do? Surely it uses apt to install Firefox, right????
A: The command gets highjacked by snap, which promptly crashed and hangs.
Ran into this just a few hours ago, made the mistake of suggesting Ubuntu as a sane default (instead of debian or something else), never making that mistake again hopefully.
I use (K?)Ubuntu (I installed KDE on Ubuntu so now it thinks it's Kubuntu? Weird) and I don't get the hate. I worked with raspberry pis and such on Linux for a bit so when I got a new computer, I decided to main Linux on desktop as well, since I felt confident enough in it and I went with Ubuntu as I felt it was an obvious choice.
I heard of Linux Mint, but I hate mints and didn't want to live with a distro named after them.
Only regret is that I didn't fresh install Kubuntu as I have some gnome ghouls left behind, but eh, if I really wanted to I think I can get rid of them. Just don't want to risk deleting other preinstalled stuff.
All operating system elitism is stupid. Just use what you like and are comfortable using. I grew up on Linux and mostly use Mac nowadays.
It's even sillier to make fun of someone for the distro they use.
When you're a boring person and the only thing you have to be snobby about is your operating system I'm not sure that says anything good about you.
You either use the distro for its specific use case and suffer as you overreach into other areas of expertise or get comfy switching gears if you need hybrid tasks on minimal hardware
idk, I've been using xubuntu for more than 10 years now, I'm not happy with absolutely everything, but the trouble I do have is definitely less effort to fix than learning a new, more elaborate distro.
So, it's a pretty good, common denominator, and as long as it keeps working it doesn't really need to be anything else?
I'm sure there are differences and niches that other distros fulfill better, but until there is a killer feature I'm interested in that only works on a specific distro or works extremely well on a different distro, I don't see the "push" factor that would make me leave?
(btw, that there is no "report bugs here" button that's just built into the window manager (besides the -,+,x buttons) and takes me to project home pages or bug trackes is wild to me, on any distro as far as I know. Like they don't want to interact with users? I don't get it.)
You clearly didn't try then!
i started with Ubuntu. i think it's fair to respect the distro that works towards getting any rando started
How can it suck the least if it has snap?
Why would you need 5 distros?
Different use cases! One each for: my desktop, my laptop, my home theater PC, my tablet, and my gaming handheld.
(This is a joke. But, I do use a different distro for my tablet [due to the touchscreen] and my gaming handheld.)
for me it's snaps and the release model that suck. Also, apparently, arch-based distros are more noob-friendly, thanks to ArchWiki
I don't use Ubuntu personally, but it was great to automate for deployment in a corporate setting.
Yes, Debian has some agnostic unattended install, but writing basically cloud-init is just so much better.
it's also pretty easy to get an Ubuntu machine logged into an Active Directory managed domain these days.
Canonical deserves most of the critics they get.
Ubuntu users on the other hand don't deserve even the slight amount of critic they get for just.. Using Ubuntu. like, at least they use Linux, we should be encouraging them to keep using it.
I have my own criticism of Canonical, but most of what I hear from the anti-Ubuntu crowd isn't even grounded in reality.
My favourite one recently was that upstart was Canonical NIHing systemd.
NIHing?
Not Invented Here. Basically, reinventing the wheel just so they can have full control of a project.
I don't care what some distro snob thinks.. I use ubuntu and have few problems. I replace the snaps and move on. I've been using Linux longer than most of them have been alive. They can pretend that makes me behind the times but somehow I always seem to be ahead of them. Having made my stance clear.
I don't care what distro they use. Why would I?
Ironic - one of the reasons I like Ubuntu based distros is the easy access to snaps.
Fascinating. I was just wondering if anyone could actually like snap and I personally knew no one until now.
FWIW I'm a long time Kubuntu user and I like it very much. But the snap experience has me on the brink of switching to a different distro.
I'll use one if it is something more obscure. I do however replace things like firefox and vlc with the source repo.
Switching Firefox from the apt repo to the snap is one of the things I did when using KDE Neon on my laptop (on my desktop with Nvidia I did the opposite on Kubuntu).
I don't know what you mean about VLC though - while it's available as an official snap published by VideoLAN, it's also in the apt repos on all Ubuntu versions.
lol just ignore the karens
"Don't feed the trolls" has ended up with the trolls running the place. I'd rather Lemmy not become yet another "lol ubuntu sux" echo chamber.
It's better than Windows at least.
that's a pretty low bar tbh. i think a programmable calculator would beat windows
Yeah, I don't get the hate and intentional division being sowed there.
I'm not a fan of Ubuntu since they went all Thanos Snap (the final straw was replacing deb packages in apt with snap stubs), but I can applaud that they're using Linux.
Just seems like low effort, pointless gatekeeping to me.
Yeah I never understood the hate but today I did read a comment saying Canonical (the company that develops Ubuntu) had injected some amazon telemetry into one of the search functionalities, that and using Snap is what makes some people shit on it. I didn't verify the telemetry thing FYI.
I can definitely understand people being upset at telemetry injections.
The above is to say I don't think it's exclusively people gate keeping, dome people have legitimate issues with it.I haven't seen people shit on mint a lot and it's an easy distro. Honestly most people are super supportive of mint. That being said there is definitely some amount of gatekeeping.