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Where do you need a Masters to attain a PhD? Honest question, I just never heard of it before.
My wife attained her MD/PhD from the University of Chicago/Pritzker and does not have a Masters. She's on the MD/PhD committee for her university and they do not require anything other than a BS in the field of study.
With that said, it probably isn't much of a stretch to just get a Masters in the way to a PhD.
Me? I'm depriving some poor village of its idiot. I have a BS and that's it.
There are roughly speaking two kinds of systems. The kind of system where Bachelor is the default degree you get from university, and you can go on to get a Masters and/or a doctorate. And the other kind of system where the default university degree is a combined Bachelor and Masters, and you can study further to get a doctorate. The latter kind is in use in a lot of continental Europe, at least.
All of continental europe?
I get that this is the Internet.
But how about this one time, we all converse as adults.
How does that sound?
An adult response would have been:
"Virtually all European universities require a Masters to attain a PhD."
This is Lemmy and not Reddit after all.
The fuck did I just read?
This is the most reddit response Ive ever gotten lmao
I came from a very large lab; 18 post-docs, and half a dozen grad students. The general observation about the PhD portion of the MD/PhD program is that it tends to be very programmatic research. Typically applying a known technique to a neglected but not novel area. The straight PhDs had much higher expectations for novelty and depth. The MD/PhDs were out in three and the PhDs were five to six.
Someone should have told my wife's program that.
But I can understand how that would happen.
Today she's looking to stress cells in a lab to promote a mis-folded protein response that mimics how it happens in the body. At least that's how far my IT guy understanding goes. She's found herself running a BSL 3 lab working with nasty micro organisms and that is not her field. It's just the path her research lead he down.
In the EU it's usually like that. 3 years for a bachelor's, 2 years for a master's, only then you can start pursuing a phd.
I graduated in 2005, and back then we had a different system, where I did a single 5 year program for a computer science degree (engineering), that today is the equivalent of a master's (diplom engineer). I could have continued to go for a dedicated master's, another 2 years, but I got lazy.
In Germany you can officially start a phd program with a bachelor's, and I assume it's the same all over Europe, since the degrees are supposed to be compatible.
No one does it without a master's, and no prof will accept you into a phd program without one, but theoretically on paper it's not needed.
This is true in Sweden. Though by the 5 year program you might be Swedish too. // Got a civilingenjörsexamen
Definitely depends on the field. Most "humanities" studies require a masters first, although for that reason many PhD programs include the step of getting your masters so it can all be done as a single track. So still a standard ~6 year program but you get both, masters after the first 3 and then PhD after 3 more. I've only ever run with folks in humanities I'm realizing, so I didn't even realize there were PhDs you could get without a masters
But to his point the UK is the place I know that will take a three year undergrad for a PhD program.