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The last resort according to whom? It's no law of nature or physics.
The last resort according to basic self preservation.
The other side have guns too. What do you think they're gonna do when you start killing their people?
they're already shooting. that's why we're mad in the first place.
And sure, shoot at the fucker that's a threat to you. That's no justification to shoot at persons 2 and 3 that had similar belief systems but wasn't shooting at you.
The right is already directly and indirectly killing innocent people.
Oh, the entire right wing is killing people? So how much blood is on the hands of the elderly couple down the road that go to church every Sunday?
Such rhetoric is not only incredibly immature and lacking of insight, it encourages the extremism that leads to violence. Grow up.
The right as in the political right wing in the context of Spain.
Ohhh okay. So, the political right wing of Spain, which is far less prone to political violence than that of, say, America?
Do you not understand how introducing violence to that equation is an even worse idea?
Violence is already in the equation. Do you want there to be no response to the attacks on marginalized groups?
No, you said right wing in the context of Spain, of which there has been only one single incident since the 1980s, and no one was hurt or killed in that singular instance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_terrorism_in_Spain
Violence is very much not in the equation in the context you yourself mentioned.
The national police did nothing wrong during the catalan referendum and riots. No politicians are advocating for the genocide of refugees by sending them back to the opressive regimes they're escaping from. No politicians are advocating for the genocide of queer people by spreading harmful retoric that leads them to suicide. There are no apologists of the Franco regime in the government.
Wasn't a far-right thing.
Executing politicians would not solve this. It would instead make the anti immigration crowd violent.
Spain is one of the world leaders in LGBTQ+ freedom. There is too much pro LGBTQ+ support here to make this a viable campaign platform. Making martyrs out of anti LGBTQ+ politicians will boost support for anti LGBTQ+ stances, not lower it.
And those government officials are about as popular as holocaust deniers at a bah mitzvah. Franco apologism is literally illegal here.
One side is gonna lose in the end. That is all that matters. The world is ruled with violence. Non-violence only is beneficial to those currently in power.
Basic self-preservation as you put it requires violence. How are you going to preserve yourself when you let people run around who want to opress or kill you?
And there are plenty of times where this is done non violently.
Yes. As a last resort. That doesn't mean never using violence. It means using it for self preservation, not just because you disagree with them.
As a last resort is too late. If you can use violence successfully, it justifies itself. Waiting for when it's time for the last resort is too late. You're not going to stop the nazis in the spring of 1933, you would have needed to kill them in the 20s, a decade before they came to power. The same applies to any political movement.
Except such thinking was how we got the Nazis in the first place. Hitler co-opted unions and parties who were extremised by such responses, and these were the basis of the Nazi party.