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I live alone and actively wish I could die. I'm not hurting anyone but myself.
I am glad that it's not cool with the younger generations, and that the whole vaping fad kinda died back.
Still though, the amount of self righteousness and lack of empathy from some non smokers really makes me glad that I will never have to hang out with those types of people.
Addiction is a hell of a thing, and when the alternative is worse than quitting, it's extremely difficult to quit.
Smokers are addicts that it's "morally acceptable" to shit on. The self righteous love it.
Youre seriously trying to guilt trip non-smokers here? Sure, addiction is horrible and some people are really struggling, but the majority of smokers I know dont give a shit that theyre actively killing others by blowing smoke into their faces on the street. Its ignorant and toxic behavior which is tolerated because of decades of brainwashing by the industry.
I have very little empathy for people who choose hurting others for their own convenience. Maybe start with empathy for poor people that struggle surviving because they are being exploited, or people that are systemically suppressed, then move on to empathy for smokers and other criminals.
I hope you get better, but your struggles dont excuse the millions of smokers actively harming their environments without a care in the world.
Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you. I don’t have time in my day. It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there. The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.
I know there is and it is perfectly valid to judge me for those things, just like I am judging others for their hurtful choices. Im not saying all smokers are bad people per se, like I said I know a lot of them and thats a part of them I dont like just like there are parts of me they dont like.
That is some major whataboutism and Im pretty sure you know that.
I know but that doesnt really make it better. People driving huge trucks everywhere dont do it just to pollute the environment or hit kids, but its still horrible on a greater scale.
weird you ask for people to have empathy for poor and struggling people but then hate on smokers when those people are almost always smokers themselves - genuinely you'll be hard pressed to find a struggling person that doesn't smoke
maybe there's something more to knowingly poising oneself for the fleeting feeling of control and comfort that doesn't have anything to do with "people who choose hurting others for their own convenience"?
I understand your point, but Id say empathy is not tied to a person but more to a topic or situation. So while the two sets of people might intersect, (my) empathy for them originates from the topic theyre associated with. I would say I have empathy for people struggling and at the same time, I dont have empathy for people giving others cancer. Some of them might be the same people and I have empathy for part of them and not for another. I dont know if Im wording it well and maybe Im just misusing the term.
Also, I specifically worded it like that to not include all smokers, because like I said many are struggling with their addiction, but its not a majority from my experience. And yes, the tobacco industry is to blame for normalising smoking over the decades, but educating yourself, especially when it comes to drug use, is everyones responsibility.
Like I said I know a lot of smokers and many of them just dont give a fuck about how it affects others, but Im not saying that makes them bad people period. Its a part of them I dont like and there are other parts that I like. Just like I do lots of stuff that others probably dont like about me.
I might need to reread my comment because it probably sounded like I hated the people themselves for one of their habits, which is not what I was trying to say but I have pretty strong feelings when it comes to smoking.
I appreciate you explaining your point - I guess I was just trying to say that smokers generally don't smoke just to spite/give others cancer - and that it's usually a coping strategy - and sure that's not always the case and there are rich and well off smokers as well
I guess I just wanted to note that most smokers don't choose to smoke but do it because they're addicted - not just to the nicotine but also to the feeling of control to immediately calm yourself down (I'm not saying its a healthy or sustainable coping mechanism but an understandable one)
Yes, Im well aware that giving people cancer is not the main goal of smokers, but its a byproduct most are willing to ignore (there are many alternatives that dont produce second hand smoke). And at the end of the day, the outcome doesnt change whether they do it intentionally or not.
I'm not trying to guilt trip anyone. The self righteous superior people clearly dgaf what I think and the feeling is mutual.
Ah yes, the age old tradition of going up to a non smoker and blowing smoke directly in their faces. Fun times.
I've been a smoker for a very long time and I've never seen that happen, unless you count shotgunning cannabis, and that was always consensual.
Let's get real for just a second. What you actually mean is occasionally you catch a whiff of cigarette smoke while outside. I'm sure you don't go stand next to smoker, and I'm positive that they don't "blow smoke into your face".
Even in my backwards ass state, you can't smoke indoors in public places, so it must be outside.
If you are so concerned about your health that you think simply smelling cigarette smoke and walking away will kill you, I sure hope you never leave the house, attend a BBQ, or go camping, because you will likely be exposed to other smells just as likely to kill you as that.
That much is clear
Who says I don't? Who says I don't fall into those categories myself? Having empathy for one group of people does not preclude you from having empathy for others. I've never shot heroin or smoked crack, but I feel bad for people struggling with those addictions.
I don't condone smoking indoors where non smokers live or around non smokers if they are outdoors and can't walk away for some reason, I just don't think someone should be treated as if they are human excrement simply because they are a smoker. You don't agree, that's fine as long as I'm not forced to be around you or have to listen to your sermons.
There you go again with the fucking victim role and guilt tripping. Dont even need to read the rest of your bullshit. Maybe think about if your attitude plays a role in your miserable life.
Edit: I still ended up reading the rest and your way of twisting words and literally cutting my quotes to twist their meaning is truly disgusting. Any shred of sympathy I had for you with your original comment is gone. Im glad you probably dont bother many people in real life, assuming anything you wrote is true which doesnt even seem likely anymore.
Also read up on second hand smoke, because you obviously havent heard of it.
Once again, I'm not guilt tripping anyone. I'm just stating my opinion. If you don't think your post comes off as self righteous and superior, I'm not sure you know what those words mean. I also never claimed to be a victim.
You had zero sympathy in the first place, you said it yourself, and once again I really don't give a single fuck what you think of me. I don't know how I can make that any more clear to you.
I have read up on second hand smoke, which is why I don't smoke around other people. I rarely even see other people unless I'm shopping, and you can't smoke in stores.
If you think that the studies on second hand smoke say that simply catching a whiff of cigarette smoke every once in a while will instantly kill you, you should probably reread them. Those were about prolonged exposure in confined areas, not walking past some dude on the street.
We've already established how you are perfect and completely flawless in every way. I'm sure your sanctimonious attitude contributes to a perfect life full of joy and happiness. Good for you.
In shitty times like that you gotta have all the fun you can ehehe :) hope you'll get better friend!
What are you referring to?
Having to deal with the consequences of dropping a lifelong addiction most likely.
Quitting smoking fucking sucks. You don't start to notice the positive effects of quitting for weeks after your last smoke, and you don't realize until then how much the cigarettes are affecting your health. So it can really feel like you're putting yourself through hell for very little benefit. When just having a cigarette feels like it can fix all symptoms you're having now, it's hard to keep going.
I've quit smoking for a decade now, but am still a nicotine addict. I'm glad I'm not coughing up yellow phlegm and short of breath all the time, but life becomes hell and I become irrational if I haven't had my dose.
I wish I'd never started.
Wish in one hand shit in the other. See which fills up first.
If I quit, I might live longer. Life is hell.
If you don’t quit, you might not die; but you could be in more pain than you are now.
Don't know what’s going through in your life but have this, if you want to: 🤗
I appreciate it. 🫂
same. I'm not quite at the point of suicide yet but I definitely don't need to live into my goddamn ~~80's~~ 50's. not here, not now.
A fellow meseeks
You shouldn't express your suicidal ideations in public. It's dangerous for other people. If someone feels bad for you and tries to help you avoid living longer without smoking, they could get in lots of trouble. You're playing with fire.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Could you explain what you mean?
There are a lot of people on this website who believe in the right to die and would feel bad, seeing you suffering like this. They'd want to talk about your right to die with you. But they could get in trouble for that, because the pro-life people see that as encouraging suicide. You're putting the pro-choice people in the difficult position of choosing whether to try to help you, or look after themselves.
Yeah and it's clearly the way women choose to dress that excuses men's predatory behavior /s
Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)
Absofuckinglutely not. Predatory behavior is inexcusable full stop.
Thats exactly what Im saying though
It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I'll admit it's systemic but it's our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.
The sentence part after "but" is in direct conflict with thee first.
This should have been a separate paragraph, it's a different idea even if in context. This still let's predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are "natural" or "innate" in a way that can't change. ~~The~~ one thing humans do well is learn. It's one of our few evolutionary advantages. The "limits of your freedom" don't have to include predatory behavior if you don't identify it as part to your autonomy or self.
E: pedantism, see strikethrough
Definitely
I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.
Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.
Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators' freedom.
Isn't that just the point again though? Expressing suicidal thoughts is literally reaching out for help while being fully aware of the risk. If we accept those who impose that risk then we stigmatize reaching out for help. If we tell women to dress differently to avoid the risk we tell them the creeps are valid.
Yeah probably just a wording/text forum/secondary language thing. See below.
Probably same confusion as above.
So the talking points you're making, at least in form and not intent, parallel arguments from evangelicals and other extreme right or fascist types. After talking I know you didn't intend anything close to those viewpoints. However, I don't feel it would have been appropriate to leave a statement unaddressed if there was a chance of interpretation in the malignant sense.
Isn't it better to give people a reason to not die, instead of like, killing people?
I'm just some Lemmy user, I can't fix the world
Not with that Attitude!
I feel like this is you fighting phantoms. I highly doubt anyone would want to actively help someone die instead like, referring them to a psychologist or therapist or something
I think the right to die is an important freedom. A society can't be free without it. That's all I have to say, I wanna avoid drama
How exactly would they "Get in trouble"? Are we talking like bans or something?
For the record if anyone is in that position, I encourage you to PM me and we could talk there. I certainly don't want to cause problems for anyone.