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I don't get Maoists at all (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Like, let's say that hypothetically China is not socialist. Why do they feel the need to equate it to the USA or to constantly diss it? Literally, no other country has 800 military bases abroad, and no other country will vulture the resources away from a fallen China like the USA would. So, being a Maoist to me just is helping the USA Intelligence departments. Literally, NATO and Western Imperialism are the main enemies, I don't get why some groups wouldn't want to take China as an ally. Even if they were ultra capitalist like the Maoist say, if the West falls is not like China would even be able to become the USA 2.0. They make up a dystopian future based on lies and fears and then equate that fake future to our current world, and end up equating an evil empire to a country that just wants to give the rest of the world another option.

Maoists feel like an "us vs the world" exclusive club to me

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think, frankly, it would have been naive to defend China as a socialist project in the 90s and early 2000s, the height of capitalist restoration.

What? Did the CPC keep flipping the switch back and forth? What definition of socialism allows you to say this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is basically what it looked like, yes. The only historical examples to go off of were all socialist societies embracing market and private property systems to the destruction of their socialist ones. And China had quite willingly participated in US imperial schemes against Vietnam in the post-Mao era, along with a general abandonment of proletarian internationalism. If you were applying the historical lessons available at the time, the evidence-based conclusion would have been that China was on a path to full capitalist restoration.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And China had quite willingly participated in US imperial schemes against Vietnam in the post-Mao era, along with a general abandonment of proletarian internationalism.

That's very debatable, especially claiming that the PRC was willingly doing the US's bidding during its war with Vietnam. But to the point: Is foreign policy what makes an economy socialist or not? And what evidence do you have that the CPC suddenly became capitalist, and gave up its control over the land and economy to private capital?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

And what evidence do you have that the CPC suddenly became capitalist, and gave up its control over the land and economy to private capital?

Did you not finish reading my comment? I don't think they did.