SovietReporter

What’s your point?

Nothing, I just wanted to put forth my semantics realization and see if there were any counter arguments as to why just calling oneself a Leninist would be any different than calling oneself a Marxist Leninist.

What are you trying to accomplish with this discussion?

Same answer

Why do you care so much about this?

I don’t care that much. I just wanted to hear the reasons that other people had and presented my own. I don’t have any horse in the race.

What difference does it make what you call yourself, why do you want us to agree with you?

People can call themselves whatever they want. I just wanted to discuss if Leninism would be the most semantically correct term, and put forth my reasoning as I explained previously.

These questions honestly feel like a serious interrogation just for a question about word accuracy and semantics.

Edit: That is how conversation works. Someone says an argument and if another person doesn’t agree they say a counter argument. Not agreeing about the usage of one term or thinking that it could be shortened doesn’t mean that someone has a hidden agenda.

So the naming convention is a respectful gesture to Marx?

Gosh, you are just an intransigent bully. I really wish that I could block you so I didn’t get any more notifications with your toxic replies. But, I will just be the one doing the ignoring now. I will only reply to you if it is due to administrative concerns or something about rules, but otherwise, I am not going to keep damaging my mental health talking to you.

What? You literally want someone to dismiss being disrespected and being mocked on, and just concentrate on the rest that you say?

Why don't you then don't say it in the first place? If you want to have a constructive conversation with someone why are you disrespectful and then complain that the other person is calling you out for being disrespectful?

Your lack of accountability and your victim blaming is so unreal. You cannot take any criticism at all. Your attitude is just so entitled and patronizing that is just scary. Your attitude is just un-Marxist, honestly. You are literally un-fit to be an admin.

I do.

You don't. You have done everything, but that this far.

I'm usually the one who insists on doing so.

Doesn't seem like it at all, with how you have conducted yourself in this convo so far.

I took an exception in this thread and discussion because the arguments of those who say it's "redundant" are very flawed, yet they are repeating themselves every time.

You could have literally said: "Your arguments are flawed, for x, y and z" instead of mocking me and saying something totally unrelated to the point which made me think that you misunderstood my point and had me re-phrasing it for the sake of clarity.

The same way you're insisting on your position, I'm insisting on giving the "redundants" this treatment.

I don't understand how you are honestly rationalizing being patronizing and disrespectful to someone who is talking to you in good faith, by saying that is just redundant. This is literally no way to have a constructive conversation. This is purely childish behavior.

I really don't think that this conversation is going anywhere because you are being very bad faith about it.

I just rather don't engage with you, honestly. Please feel free to ignore me from now on, unless I break the rules or something.

I would say my points about the arguments you stated below, but you obviously have 0 respect for me and as you said, you don't take me seriously, so I rather not engage with someone who is bad faith like that.

If there are non-Leninist Marxists, then Marxism-Leninism is not a redundancy

If all Leninists are Marxists then it is redundant. Since Lenin was a Marxist who built on top of Marxism then Leninism is Marxist. Just saying Leninist shall suffice.

Marxism has different branches to it, yes, but hyphenating a term that already includes Marxism makes the first word redundant. It is like saying that there are modes of transportation. A car is already a mode of transportation, but instead of saying “car” to refer to the mode of transportation that is a car, people just say “mode of transportation-car” every time.

Sorry, but your argument is so silly that I simply cannot take it seriously.

Mocking someone and laughing at them is such an unbecoming and unprofessional behavior for a Marxist admin. You should really change your attitude and treat others with respect.

If you disagree with someone, just say a counter argument, downvote them or ignore them, but if they are talking to you in good faith, being disrespectful is just a nasty attitude that turns people off and away from these spaces, specially if it is from someone in a position of power as yourself.

Still you have "orthodox Marxists" who will claim ML is not really Marxism but I think if it was called just "Leninism" it would've been even easier for them to claim Leninism isn't even Marxism.

I wonder if nowadays I can just call myself a Leninist and people will get the message since nobody questions Lenin’s adherence to Marxism anymore.

I repeated it because I got an answer totally unrelated to what I stated. So I was not sure if the replier understood my point. No need to get hostile here comrade. Discussing about this stuff is dialectical and has brought tons of interesting perspectives about it. Getting defensive about someone questioning a naming convention and saying something along the lines of “that is just the way it is and nothing that you say will change it” sounds very dogmatic and anti-Marxist honestly.

You misunderstood what I meant. I meant that there are non-Leninists Marxists, but that all Leninists are Marxists; therefore, saying “Marxist-Leninist” seems redundant.

What a mouthful 🤣

I meant that saying “Leninism” includes Marxism the same way Mao Zedong Thought includes Leninism. Therefore, just saying “Leninism” would suffice without having to include “Marxism”.

Which is this telegram channel? Can you please share the link?