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EAs shocked to discover how billionaires make their money (forum.effectivealtruism.org)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Summary point 5 is fun.

I conclude that the rate of criminal behavior amongst major philanthropists is high

Great!

which means that we should not expect altruism to substantially lower the risks compared to that of the general population,

Ok, not super clear what “the risks” are here. One interpretation is that they are saying “just because someone donates money doesn’t mean they aren’t a criminal”, which is correct. But it’s not clear! Anyway.

and that negative impacts to EA’s public perception may occur independently of whether our donors actually commit crimes (e.g. because even noncriminal billionaires have a negative public image).

So close! Why do “noncriminal” billionaires have a negative public image? It’s almost as if legality isn’t the decider of morality!

Perhaps one day EAs will gain class consciousness and a sense of morality beyond an uncritical elision of ethics via utilitarianism; we aren’t there yet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A reasonable subset of EAs are extremely wealthy rentier capitalists and thus arguably already have class consciousness.

If you're already the boot, you might as well side with the other boots.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While true, the majority of them (in terms of humans, not dollars) are merely capitalists of the "temporarily embarrassed" variety.

The thing about the 1% is that they're a really small part of the population. Less than 5% of all people are in the top 1% richest people. Extremely rich people may be overrepresented in EA, but I doubt they are overrepresented enough to beat all the prole EAs in a fistfight should they all suddenly become militant communists or something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I would pay to see that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

my bad. When I said “class consciousness” I meant a full mental transformation to radical communism, words are difficult