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[Big Yudd free zone] So what do we think about AI Safety guys? (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Prompted by the recent troll post, I've been thinking about AI. Obviously we have our criticisms of both the AI hype manchildren and the AI doom manchildren (see title of the post. This is a Rationalist free post. Looking for it? Leave)

But looking at the AI doom guys with an open mind, sometimes it appear that they make a halfway decent argument that's backed up by real results. This YouTube channel has been talking about the alignment problem for a while, and I think he probably is a bit of a Goodhart's Law merchant (as in, by making a career out of measuring the dangers of AI, his alarmism is structural) so he should be taken with a grain of salt, it does feel pretty concerning that LLMs show inner misalignment and are masking their intentions (to anthropomorphize) under training vs deployment.

Now, I mainly think that these people are just extrapolating out all the problems with dumb LLMs and saying "yeah but if they were AGI it would become a real problem" and while that might be true if taking the premise at face value, the idea that AGI will ever happen is itself pretty questionable. The channel I linked has a video arguing that AGI safety is not a Pascal's mugging, but I'm not convinced.

Thoughts? Does the commercialization of dumb AI make it a threat on a similar scale to hypothetical AGI? Is this all just a huge waste of time to think about?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well capitalism is highly misaligned with humanity, so aligning AI with capitalism is a huge alignment risk. Of course you'll never see any of the alignment people talk about it with the exception of Yoshua Bengio (and maybe Geoffrey Hinton very tangencially)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

This is true, but as far as AI exists in relation to capital or any other factor of production (say, labor under socialism) it is subservient to it, so I don't think there's a solution to alignment that doesn't involve changing the mode of production.