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[Big Yudd free zone] So what do we think about AI Safety guys? (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Prompted by the recent troll post, I've been thinking about AI. Obviously we have our criticisms of both the AI hype manchildren and the AI doom manchildren (see title of the post. This is a Rationalist free post. Looking for it? Leave)

But looking at the AI doom guys with an open mind, sometimes it appear that they make a halfway decent argument that's backed up by real results. This YouTube channel has been talking about the alignment problem for a while, and I think he probably is a bit of a Goodhart's Law merchant (as in, by making a career out of measuring the dangers of AI, his alarmism is structural) so he should be taken with a grain of salt, it does feel pretty concerning that LLMs show inner misalignment and are masking their intentions (to anthropomorphize) under training vs deployment.

Now, I mainly think that these people are just extrapolating out all the problems with dumb LLMs and saying "yeah but if they were AGI it would become a real problem" and while that might be true if taking the premise at face value, the idea that AGI will ever happen is itself pretty questionable. The channel I linked has a video arguing that AGI safety is not a Pascal's mugging, but I'm not convinced.

Thoughts? Does the commercialization of dumb AI make it a threat on a similar scale to hypothetical AGI? Is this all just a huge waste of time to think about?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

(I ain't readin' all that) but what the abstract describes isn't even close to the worst thing I've read about LLMs doing this week. I don't exactly trust the LLM companies' ideas of what is or is not "harmful." Shit like people using the LLMs as therapists, or worse, oracles is much worse in my opinion, and that doesn't require any "pretend to be evil for training" hijinks.