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If you do, why do you believe in God? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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As simple as possible to summarize the best way you can, first, please. Feel free to expand after, or just say whatever you want lol. Honest question.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is the standard of proof for the transcendental?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Emperical evidence.

It needs to be testable and reproducible.

There's no evidence that souls and spirits even exist.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay. What's the evidence that logic or math exists?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're testable and reproducible.

Any number of mathematicians can work a problem, and if done correctly will reach the same result.

The same goes for logic.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can't use the thing in question to prove that it exists.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you can't use the bible to prove god exists, eh?

Math is just our understanding of how the universe works. Logic is just our description of how to correctly reason.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not using the Bible. I'm using the Transcendental Argument.

Math is just our understanding of how the universe works. Logic is just our description of how to correctly reason.

Okay. If these things are just descriptors then they aren't universally true. If they exist and are universally true then you have no account for how that is the case. Either way you are using immaterial, metaphysical concepts to make the case that things that are immaterial and metaphysical don't exist.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Math and logic will work the same even if some alien civilization discovered them.

They are just how things work. We just happened to be intelligent enough to figure out how to use them to further our goals.

Why are you so hung up on repeating /restating the same arguement? You seem to be getting into an OODA loop.