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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You see I was willing to give you a little bit of a concession in that I do agree that it doesn't take a mechanic to realize that the knocking sound in an engine is probably a bad thing. But you would need to be a mechanic or at least mechanically minded to know exactly where in the engine that noise is coming from what part it is what part needs to be fixed how best to go about getting said part that needs to be replaced installing the part and then charging for labor. And while it's true that any one individual is not infallible usually when you get a collective of experts in their field they're not all going to be wrong at once in the same way. And I'm sorry but somebody doing armchair research from their computer at home is not going to be able to suddenly stumble upon the answer that a panel of experts completely ignored.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

But you would need to be a mechanic or at least mechanically minded to know exactly where in the engine that noise is coming from what part it is what part needs to be fixed how best to go about getting said part that needs to be replaced installing the part and then charging for labor.

You say this as if people who aren't mechanics or mechanically minded are physically unable to learn these things or deduce them on their own. Is the human brain/mind that limited and obsolete in your view?

Should I also assume you're in favour of stratification in a sort of caste system where people who are disinclined in a domain shouldn't be allowed to participate because in your eyes they simply can't and they are innately wrong to do so? Or is that me overreaching?

And while it’s true that any one individual is not infallible usually when you get a collective of experts in their field they’re not all going to be wrong at once in the same way.

As social animals, it has been proven repeatedly that we will make the wrong choices in order to be a part of a social circle. So regardless of any individual knowledge and actual beliefs, emotional interference can and does have people in a group decide to be wrong at once in the same way.

I’m sorry but somebody doing armchair research from their computer at home is not going to be able to suddenly stumble upon the answer that a panel of experts completely ignored.

Disagree. It's extremely unlikely, but not impossible. A clear and relaxed mind with an outside perspective can notice details an involved and burdened mind will subconsciously ignore.

The armchair expert won't be intricately aware of all the know-how and it's highly likely they will be wrong in most aspects, but as small as it is, there is always a chance they will understand a correct piece that is otherwise dismissed out of hand.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Historically, a collection of experts wrong all at once in the same way? 1350: the Earth is the center of the universe 1750: remove bad blood by applying leeches 1950: cigarettes are healthy

are these anomalies? or is grift a feature of a hierarchical research system?