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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

God dammit, please put this in context because it's so damn easy to and then it shoots down the argument and makes whoever is saying it look bad.

He was talking about the 2028 Olympics (in Los Angeles) and how that was in the works in his first term. At the time, he said he wouldn't be president for that because he'd be done in 2024. But then

"They [the Democrats/left/deep whatever] rigged the 2020 election, and now I'm president again [in 2025-2029]."

There is plenty wrong with Trump and what he said there. But the takeaway is not that he rigged 2024 to be president today.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok. How about where he admitted to sending Elon Musk up to Pennsylvania to rig the voting machines?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-musk-vote-counting-computers/

This article states "However, there is no evidence he was saying that his win in Pennsylvania was due to Musk's purported knowledge of vote-counting computers" but there is largely no evidence only because nobody investigated it, and obviously Snopes can't just accuse the president of a crime without legal backing.

I'll let his own quote speak for itself.

[Musk] journeyed to Pennsylvania where he spent like a month and a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania, and he's a popular guy, and he was very effective. And he knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like, in a landslide, so it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Not as familiar with that one. But he didn't explicitly say he sent him up there to rig the machines in his favor. Just that he knows the systems and was there. The meaning is left ambiguous. One could make a not-crazy argument that he meant Elon was keeping the machines from getting hacked.

To be clear, Trump is a piece of shit, he lost 2020, and I feel dirty speaking up for him. But here's the thing: if there was fraud, it needs to be settled in court. That was the case in 2020 when virtually every court ruling was against Trump, and it's the case now when nobody has even bothered to bring it up (it's not like there isn't any overlap between "people who know what he said" and "people who would bring on a suit"). If we're going to make these claims, they need to be damn solid - otherwise it just makes us look bad when there are PLENTY of solid things about Trump's piece-of-shitness we could be bringing up instead.