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Have you given up on America? (kbin.melroy.org)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?

I think I have given up on America for it to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.

I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn't make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.

There's just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the "Real Owners" want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.

So what gives, really? Live your life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, but the country has problems. It's always had problems. Even with all of the economic hardship and political strife we have today, most people are safer, healthier and have better prospects today than they have had in most of US history. It's by no means perfect and we have a lot of work to do. But, giving up and checking out has never improved anything. It also doesn't help that we have a steady drip-drip-drip of negative information fed to us by our phones and algorithms. We are also facing one of the largest Constitutional Crises in US History, with the President pushing the boundaries of his Constitutional powers. Even if nothing breaks, we are likely to see many changes from all this. Hopefully, those changes result in better guardrails on the Presidency. And maybe even a repudiation of the Roberts Supreme Court. But, such a future is hard to see when we are in the middle of the storm.

I even have hope for the slight voting majority which put Trump back in power. It's easy to dismiss those folks as a bunch of . And some of them almost certainly fit those descriptions. However, there are a lot of them which are just scared and confused by the FUD sandwich being fed to them by the 24-hour news cycle, social media algorithms and politicians looking for easy votes. It's going to be hard work to pull them back off the brink. And if you're not up to that work, I understand. It's hard to want to put in the effort for folks who seem so far gone. I've spent a lot of hours arguing with folks with whom I disagree wholeheartedly. It's tiring and I can only take so much before I decide it's time to move on for a while. But, I would rather keep up the argument than let the country slide into full blown autocracy.

So ya, I have hope. It's a grim hope and one which recognizes that we could lose. But, giving up now feels premature.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I even have hope for the slight voting majority which put Trump back in power. [whole paragraph]

Many of them, probably the majority of them, have core mutual interests with us at the end of the day. We are the worker class. Once you're able to strip away culture war crap and electoralist talking points, there's a large amount of shared ground.

There truly are some people who are too far gone, and some other people who benefit from looting the country, but if you can find shared ground and teach instead of argue, picking battles, I'd say there's a better shot at reaching through to some of them. In fact, to prove the point through exaggeration, if you're a decent communicator who's able to explain technical concepts in familiar language, you can straight-up outline Marxist economic theory to them without triggering an argument. This is more a playful example than a strong example, but it gets the point across, that you can sometimes draw out some smart insights from the rubble, because many of them are oppressed by the same system and fed up at it, they've simply been encouraged by that mass media towards the wrong way targets or the wrong solutions. For a personal example, I've seen union members complaining about legitimate grievances at work and the company's abuse of progressive language (e.g. abusing the term "diversity" as a cover to outsource jobs to unqualified cheaper foreign labor) but unfortunately haven't learned the tactful language to properly express their critique, so one could understandably mistake it for reactionary "them chinese took er jerbs!" rhetoric, falsely accuse them of racist values and push this person further anti-left. It's certainly important to be aware of wolfwhistles and red flags, but it's also important to not jump to conclusions either.