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I'm sick of having to look up what country an author is from to know which variant of teaspoon they're using or how big their lemons are compared to mine. It's amateur hour out there, I want those homely family recipes up to standard!

What are some good lessons from scientific documentation which should be encouraged in cooking recipes? What are some issues with recipes you've seen which have tripped you up?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Autist and scientist here: you're thinking of baking. Baking is the science one, cooking is infuriating because all of those really vague and inaccurate instructions are in fact as precise and accurate as they need to be. Seasoning is done with the heart, you do have to stir or knead u ntil it "looks right", "a handful" is the right amount to add. The only way to find the "right" amounts is to cook over and over until you instinctively know what enough looks like.

Anyway the ingredient I really really hate is from Jamie Oliver's "working girl's" pasta, where he lists "2 big handfuls of really ripe tomatoes". I HAVE CANNED TOMATOES YOURE GETTING CANNED TOMATOES JAMIE, I DONT HAVE FUCKING TIME TO GO LOOKONG FOR REALKY RIPE TOMATOES

Also standard teaspoon is 5ml. Just use that and taste to see if it needs more.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That man fucks me right off. "Here's how you can feed your family for a fiver"

Proceeds to use an entire fucking spice rack that'll cost about 80 quid to get set up properly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

That's not totally disingenuous. If you're cooking for yourself rather than eating out or buying ready made things and you plan to do that a lot of it, some outlay on things that get used across multiple recipes over long periods (can be years with spices) is reasonable to expect and also not to be costed in recipe estimates. What exactly is reasonable to expect someone to have in their pantry already for a recipe is very subjective so what to me seems fair to assume won't seem so to others, but there are assumptions you can make. You wouldn't for example criticise a recipe for failing to incorporate the cost of a pan if it tells you to pan fry something or a spoon to stir it or the cost of the water out of the tap. Most of those examples are equipment but I think there's an extent to which you can write recipes with similar givens for ingredients as well, otherwise it becomes untenable to estimate costs. You don't typically have to use the same spices as recommended by a recipe either. For some it's essential but for many it's just what you like or what you have so, don't buy 80 quid of spices for one recipe, but if you can figure out which are most important for that recipe and which you also really like the taste of, buy just those and use them in that recipe and many others going forward. You gradually add to your collection as you try new things and when you have some spices and a recipe calls for you to get more, it's not such a stretch because you're not buying a ton of them at once just the few you don't have and consider it worth trying. It takes a long time to get through spices and eventually you get to a point where you have most of the spices referenced in a given recipe or decent substitutes or you only need like 1 extra one that will help you cook more things in future. If you're sure you won't use a spice outside of the one recipe you're looking at, just skip it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sorry sib, but you gotta buy the spices. They're like salt and oil, or pots and pans - you are almost always going to be using some of them, no matter what you're cooking. It helps a lot to find an Indian supermarket, because you can get big packets of spices for much cheaper than the bottles in regular supermarkets.

Also too many spices has never been an issue I've had with Jamie, if anything I feel he overrelies on access to good quality ingredients. Yotam Ottolenghi is the spice dickhead, most of his recipes require a specific overpriced spice blend only he sells.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even with baking, once you get good and learn what ingredients can be fanagled with, there's definitely wiggling room like with cooking.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

There is wiggle room in baking, but it relies on a deeper understanding of the ingredients than cooking. If a recipe wants 250g of flour and you only have 200g, you have to adjust the amounts of sugars and fats as well, and while the flavourings have a lot more wiggle room, some of them still require swapping out base ingredients for them to maintain the correct ratios.
With cooking if a recipe calls for 500g of potatoes and you only have 300g you can just put 300g in and keep cooking. Recipe calls for 300g tomatoes but you don't want to waste the last quarter of your 400g can? We're having an extra tomato-y sauce tonight. You have a lot more room to change ingredients around without it having a significant effect on the rest of the recipe.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This may be true for experienced cooks but beginners need more precise instructions that are not "Until it tastes good".

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, and I'm explaining that a significant part of being an experienced cook is just the understanding that cooking isn't precise. You do not need to work out what sized teaspoons the author was using, just get any of the teaspoons out of your drawer, fill it up, mix it in, and then taste to see if it seems ok. The final result will depend on factors you can't control for - the conditions ingredients were grown in, the age of spices when they were ground, the specific cultivar you're using - and the author doesn't have your personal tastes, so while they can tell you the ingredients to use they can't give you the precise amounts that you'll enjoy. To find that out you need to make the dish repeatedly with small adjustments until you hone in on your tastes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That may be true.
But for anyone not reading it and getting instructions like "Go by feeling" when I don't even know if the dish tastes as it should be is like requesting me to run before I can even walk.

And this cooking lession will sooner or later be revealed to a beginner but it's very frustrating to think one cannot cook while it's just a smaller skill-issue someone needs to overcome.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

I know it feels that way - believe me, I mentioned I'm autistic for a reason, and that reason is I had plenty of meltdowns over the impreciseness of instructions before getting it - but it's not running before you can walk, it's walking before you run. Being precise and scientific about your cooking is the Olympic sprint of cooking, the high level michelin-starred stuff, not worrying about precision is the first teetering steps that lets you start to refine your technique.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thinking back on being a beginner, my problem wasn't that instructions were imprecise, but more that I didn't interpret "to taste" as a real instruction. It means I should fucking taste my food as I go, when at the time I would just taste it at the end.

So many bad meals can be avoided by sampling them over time and adjusting. I should know, having made too many.

I would classify this as an example of cooking logic (my own phrase) that needs to be learned. A lot of good recipes will assume the cook understands fundamental concepts like this, but it's not necessarily the recipe's job to teach you. Same as how IKEA assembly instructions might seem cryptic at first, but really boil down to using 3-4 different techniques to screw wood panels together. I do think there's a general lack of awareness that cooking has a separate logic, and this means a lot of people never teach it to others.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Just like I usually dont.
So for example, I taste the water before I boil my pasta to see how salty it is.
Hardly undersalted the pasta so far.
Can't say I do it always for the other cookings ;)