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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Automation is so incredibly resource intensive and generates so much waste. I can't see how letting ourselves become more dependant on automation is as beneficial as businesses and mislead common people make it out to be.

As demand increases, so does maintenance, upgrades and power consumption. Everything electronic requires plastic. Which is shipped in more plastic. Which is shipped on skids wrapped in more plastic. And when those electronics fail, then that is just more waste plastic because it's easier, quicker and cheaper to replace rather than fix.

Electronics and automation are so fun and interesting. It's amazing watching a line run at full speed in production. But it's so painfully depressing how awful it is for our environment. The dust and oils are awful for the living beings that work in those environments. The repetitive jobs that it creates is absolutely awful for the mental wellbeing for the people who work there.

The mental damage of being there was so bad to me that when it came time to discuss severance pay at the labour board meeting after my wrongful termination, I purposely let the lawyers keep in a part in the contract/paperwork saying I could no longer work at any company under that international organization. They thought I would fight that so they would have reason to lower my severance pay. Nah. I took my winnings, which included getting the HR manager fired, and fucked right off.

Years later and I still feel a deep shame and regret for the time I spent in the automation industry and for all the damage and waste I caused while being in there.

Along with eliminating wealth hoarders who generate extreme amounts of waste, lessening our dependence on technology and automation are things I personally believe will be key to a liveable future. It's a bit shocking to me how often I receive negative or angry criticism when I share these thoughts though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

The Factory Must Grow......

/s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s a bit shocking to me how often I receive negative or angry criticism when I share these thoughts though.

You receive criticism because you are wrong. Automation is just using technology to make things with less effort. I'm very happy letting a machine weave my clothes, rather than having to sit down and twist the threads to weave my clothes with my fingers. Eschewing automation wouldn't just result in less environmental waste - it would send us back to the dark ages, except worse, because we could not possibly feed and clothes the world's population without automated systems. Humans, desperate for food and shelter, would constantly be at war with each other and would chop down every forest and slaughter every animal in a desperate attempt at survival.

Meanwhile, there is no reason it must be awful for the environment or people. If single use plastics are a problem because they are cheaper than the alternative, then the solution is obvious: make plastics more expensive. This is called a Pigouvian Tax, and it is very effective. Any time we notice something which has a negative impact on the world, but which has no negative impact for its user, we just tax it until its use has been decreased to an acceptable level.

Dust and oils in a work environment are solveable by wearing PPE.

The unpleasantness of a job is solveable by making life affordable for workers so they can just quit if they don't like it.

These are all solveable problems, and I see no need to make the whole world way shittier to solve them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've spent time over the years wondering why I receive hostile or angry criticism. A few ideas float to my mind. Judging by the responses I do receive, many seem to be uncomfortable giving up any current personal comfort in order to address deeper questions about health, safety, how we work with the environment around us and who actually benefits from our current technology.

I've made no attempts to suggest solutions. The automation industry is far too complex for me to even try. The covid lockdowns showed me just how vulnerable the automation industry is to disruptions. Something that's vulnerable to disruptions should be questioned. Especially when so many lives are dependent on it.

Those deeper questions may just lead us in a completely different direction. That is nothing to fear. In the process of that, we may just find a comfort zone between technology, nature and human creativity where it can all exist with minimal pain for us and everything around us.

Decreasing our dependence on technology will allow us, the ones who do not hoard wealth as a means of power over other people, to gain control and independence in our personal lives and our immediate communities. When we can be independent, we can become more resistent to disruptions in our communities.

All this requires us to be open, honest and to have the the will to attempt change. From my personal experiences and perspective, doing more of the same only enables to current situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

The covid lockdowns showed me just how vulnerable the automation industry is to disruptions.

It also showed how valuable the automation industry was to cutting COVID-19 off at its knees if a bunch of pansy right-wingers hadn't started to screech they couldn't breath because of a few grams of paper on their face. (Weird how they can wear masks now when it involves being cruel to non-whites...)

When COVID-19 hit there was a shortage of surgical and N95 masks world-wide. Then a guy invented a machine that could "print" obscene numbers of surgical masks per day, each machine costing only about $50,000. Within weeks surgical masks were available to the point that they cost almost nothing. Then someone else figured out how to make KN95 masks easier to mass produce on the same kind of "printing" machine and now KN95 masks are also cheap like borscht and universally available.

Without automation there'd have been a whole lot more deaths to COVID-19 around the world, not just in snowflake countries.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

I think people get upset with you because you piss on the floor when you get excited

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

What you're saying reminds me of things that vegans say: "If everybody knew the full story, they'd change their behaviour". I think this is only partially true since change is hard.

I lurk in some vegan forums for the recipes but the majority of posts seem intended to invoke outrage, probably to help promote behaviour change.

Now, what if there were books and movies and forums about the horrors of automated factories? Would people change?