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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Not viable because bismuth is radioactive. We're not moving away from silicon anytime soon, I mean we've heard of the hype stories about gallium nitride and carbon nanotube transistors every few months now for nearly a decade, yet almost everything still uses silicon.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We’re not moving away from silicon anytime soon, I mean we’ve heard of the hype stories about gallium nitride and carbon nanotube transistors every few months now for nearly a decade

I mean, I work with transistors and gallium nitride transistors are actually a thing. Like you can just buy them yourself. I've looked through a few examples and they seem pretty decent. Certainly there are much fewer of them than the silicon stuff, but I imagine it's a new technology, so that makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yes they are obviously a thing, but when we're talking about CMOS logic circuits required for consumer electronics like smartphones, laptops and desktops, they've been around since 2016 in research papers, and haven't really gone anywhere beyond more research papers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

CMOS logic circuits required for consumer electronics like smartphones, laptops and desktops

Obviously you won't disrupt those massive sprawling supply chains for the most state of the art chips right away for such a new tech. However, the availability of discretes means that there is some appetite for non silicon tech.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The hyperlink directs to "nl.farnell.com/en-NL"...

Are you Dutch too? What a coincidence, haha.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

No, I'm an immigrant.

Wait, you're Dutch? We might actually be going to the same uni if you are studying electrical engineering 😳

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Bismuth-209 was long thought to have the heaviest stable nucleus of any element, but in 2003, a research team at the Institut d’Astrophysique Spatiale in Orsay, France, discovered that 209Bi undergoes alpha decay with a half-life of 20.1 exayears (2.01×1019, or 20.1 quintillion years), over 109 times longer than the estimated age of the universe.

Due to its hugely long half-life, for all known medical and industrial applications, bismuth can be treated as stable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

A half life of 2×10^19 years still means 100 events per gram per year, 100 new defects in the chip every year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Modern CPUs have transistors at least in the tens of millions, the most advanced have billions. A gram of bismuth has ~2*10^21 atoms. Pre-existing impurities would probably be a bigger factor by orders of magnitude.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago

100 per gram of the bismuth part of the transistors per years. But even decades old transistors have volume measured in nanometers cubed which implies a negligible mass.

Assume the transistors are 10 nm, the volumic mass of bismuth is 9750 kg/m^3 = 9.75 * 10^-6 kg/nm, which means, assuming the bismuth part of the transistor is 10 nm^3 it weigh 9.75 * 10^-6 * 10 kg = 9.75 * 10^-5 kg.

100 event per gram per year is 1000 event per kg per year, which means approximately 1000 * 10^-5 = 10^-2 event per 10^-5 kg per year or 1 event per 100 000 years per transistor. assuming there is a billion transistors in a chip that's 10^9 * 10^-5 = 10^4 event per year in a chip.

A bismuth atom has a radius of approximately 160 picometers = 0.16 nm. To simplify, let's assimilate the atoms to cubes of volume 0.16 nm^3. Then, per our previous assumption, a transistor in our chip has a side 10 / 0.16 = 62.5 atoms long which means it contains 62.5^3 = 244 140.625 atoms of bismuth, let's round it down to 244 140 atoms, which means the billion transistors of the chip contain 10^9 * 244 140 =~ 2.441 * 10^14 atoms of bismuth.

Which means that 1000 atoms decay per year out of ~ 2.441 * 10^14 atoms (1000 / ~ 2.441 * 10^14) * 100 =~ 4.096 * 10^-10 % of the bismuth. At this rate it would take well over 5 * 10^9 years, or 5 billion years, for half a percent of the material to have decayed.

TL;DR: AstroStelar [he/him] is right, for all intent and purposes bismuth is stable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not a material scientist but I'm not sure every single atomic decay will result in defect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Every decay will result in at least one crystal defect. Alpha particles don't travel very far, so it probably cause another crystal defect nearby, and maybe a short chain reaction. I'm sure they can work around it but I don't think it will be easier to deal with than the defects due to ion migration they already have to deal with in Silicon.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago

Used in stomach medicine.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 hours ago

Bismuth is already used in all kinds of consumer products, and using it in chips would probably be one of the safer uses https://healthyfocus.org/bismuth-potential-dangers/