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You're example is a good case of using AI well. However I think there is a difference between using AI to help with something, and using AI for the whole thing. I have no qualms with using AI to ease or automate the tedious work, but using it for the whole thing is gross, lazy, and often times scabbing. For example I love Romantically Apocalyptic. Its artists uses an AI trained off of his own art to speed up the process of making art for his books. The images are not 100% AI generated, and what is generated is made from his own art. This I feel is a good use of AI in art. A bad use of AI art is training a model off of other people's art and generating a whole image out of it. Until we live in a society where artists and writers don't need to work to survive, we can't ethically use AI to generate whole works using other people's work imo.
Sure but what is a good or bad meme is extremely subjective. Bad memes from an artistic perspective often do very well in getting the message across. I mean I sort of get what you are saying but I think there's a lot of subjectivity involved. If we look at the post numbers, the ratio is the same as earlier. +671 to -122 = so downvotes are only 18% of where the upvotes are sitting, which isn't bad considering all the brigading. And anyway, we have a good mix of different types of memes. Only a small handful use genAI. It's completely been blown out of proportion by a very vocal minority.
I wasn't talking about whether it was good or bad. I was talking about the ethics of AI. You didn't engage with any part of what I said.
I agree the ethics of corporate ai are problematic from an environmental and use case perspective, but not from a copyright perspective. Ethically, copyleft makes a lot more sense. Copyright only serves capitalism and is a fundamentally neoliberal concern.
I don't care about copyright. I am an anarchist. What I was getting at though is AI is stealing jobs from writers and artists, and so I was arguing the use of AI is scabbing.
I agree with you in the sense that that corporations are stealing jobs from artists by usurping content creators on their massive platforms and replacing them with highly profitable (because they don't have to pay anyone) GenAI images. That's not a problem with GenAI though, it's a problem with corporations and capitalism which prioritize profit above all else.
And the question of fighting for the rights of artists to rent seek an income based on 100 year+ IP rights (or whatever ridiculous number it is nowadays) is hard to square with a leftist position. Aren't we supposed to be against that sort of thing?
Its not me trying to protect IP, its me standing in solidarity with artists. They need jobs like everyone else and I feel using AI is enabling corporations to take those jobs. Its an issue of right now we live under capitalism and need to help each other survive, and AI is hurting artists. Once capitalism is gone and artists don't need to work to survive I have no issue with AI being used cause you aren't hurting anyone anymore. I do not feel you can be in solidarity with artists and writers and also use generative AI as a medium as opposed to a tool.
I feel a good example is the Luddite movement. Industrialization can be good, especially in terms of reducing labor and increasing productivity. But in a capitalist world it comes with people losing their jobs and thus means to survival. The workers sabotaging the machinery were doing it because their jobs were at stake, not some moral issue with the tool. The tools are immoral because of how they affect people. Until you can get rid of that affect, it is immoral to use it. If we want to use GenAI we need capitalism gone. We need to work in the reality that exists presently, not the ideal future.
Wow, someone made a post encouraging people to come specifically to your community to cause trouble? You're saying it's not just people who happen to disagree with you, it's a planned movement? That's worthy of its own post. If you can show drag the incitement to brigade as proof, drag will be happy to make a second post or edit this one to talk about the brigade you claim exists.