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Rubio condemns German intelligence’s decision to classify far-right party AfD as extremist
(www.politico.com)
this post was submitted on 03 May 2025
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First France, now Germany. Seems Europe (at least some of us) has decided it won't sit idly and let far-right extremists burn us to the ground.
Although these are all provisional fixes. The true solution would be to get the people to ditch these idiots, and to do that, we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media. Democracy can't survive if the voting base is too ignorant to choose its leaders.
Find, then degrade, deny and destroy, the sources of the propaganda, and do the same to the conduits.
Nope. I mean it's not wrong to do that, but it would be mistaken to see that as anything but a flanking measure: You can't fight affect with cognition. We need real-world policy which alleviates people's anxieties.
US social media is the vector for that infection.......
You're kidding right? Far right extremist thought bubbles websites predate social media
But we're talking about now, not then.
But you used to have to go find them. Now they're being inserted right into your feed.
And the algorithms are tuned to do it. Russia wants to run a disinformation campaign on Meta platforms and twitter? Well the owners of meta and twitter are both in favor of that type of disinformation being disseminated because it benefits them personally
Canada conservatives are trying to keep PP alive
Hypocrites the lot of them.
He has said many times there should be term limits on MPs and low and behold he is parachuting into Alberta just like a good little hypocrite does.
Imagine someone conservative running against him as an independent and winning.
That would be priceless. Are there any anti fascists conservatives living in the Battle River area?
Make political advertisement / political messaging illegal on entertainment platforms. There's precedent for highly regulated TV advertisements, why is there such a broad exception for unregulated manipulative online advertising? Why is cigarette, religious, drug advertising forbidden but political lies and agendas allowed, endorsed even? Fines need to be 50% of monthly worldwide profit and increase by 5% for each month of noncompliance.
This simple legislation would instantly solve a lot of current issues with what's wrong and protect free, democratic nations.
Just banning Xitter would solve most of the problem, imo Maybe Facebook too.
Profit is a bad metric here, they have decades of experience pretending they have no profits. Make it 10% of company value each month.
People not knowing enough IS bad for democracy, but the fact that they "know" so many objectively false and harmful things is MUCH worse.
Education allows you to reason about what you're being told and filter out a lot of the bad stuff. It's not perfect, but it helps you spot egregious "facts" and label the speaker appropriately as untrustworthy.
This is not a fix at all in Germany. There are no immediate repercussions of the Verfassungsschutz calling the AfD extremist. There might be more wind in the sails of the politicians that want a motion to ban them, but I’m definitely not holding my breath for it during a Merz administration.
Germany should just ban Xitter. That's where most of this nazi infection is coming from.
No, most of it is coming from BILD and the other traditional media that poisons our public political discourse for decades.
I agree, it's not a fix. However it's also not just "calling them extremist". It's an official classification not just something haphazardly mentioned in a speech.
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So they can watch them harder? How does that prevent anything?
It puts some grants for them into question, so less money for the faschs.
Agreed. But it seems that the EU is also doing something about that. Just like with AfD, they've been dragging their feet for way too long but now something* gave them a jolt.
We currently have an interesting success story of Die Linke (proper left-wing party) who managed to garner votes by embracing social media and *cough* populism in, what seems to be, a Good Way.
Yeah you should ban their media, books, speech & lock them up. That'll teach them about fascism alright.
On a more serious note, all this decision by Germany does is make groups like AfD stronger.
Found the nazi.
Nobody's doing this. You're arguing against your own fantasies.
They broke the law. You're arguing for changing the constitution* to let the AfD continue practicing unconstitutional* politics, because you don't want to make the AfD stronger?
* "Grundgesetz" - close enough
You can't fight fascism on the marketplace of ideas. The moment you sit at the table to talk, they spring up and punch you in the face.
Limiting circulation of fake news, holding those who spread it accountable, and forcing social networks to moderate their platform if they want to operate in the EU, should be the priority.
"fight disinformation" =/= " ban their media, books, speech & lock them up"
You really gave that strawman a good beating though.
Not really, it seemed fairly low-effort.
You kinda have a point. If we fight fascism using fascist methods, we only empower it because suddenly they feel oppressed. But we do need to fight misinformation. But our polititians are so incredibly tech illiterate.
They started out feeling oppressed even when nobody did anything to them, based entirely on misinformation.