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[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for this info. Lots of great launch points for looking deeper into this.

my point is that we have always been playing catch up and these tools allow us to catch up significantly as well. These tools raise our capability floor to heights that were not possible before.

Observation of the development of FOSS ecosystems seems to back this up and does give me some hope for the state of technology to build alternatives to capitalist run software.

We do have our own asymmetries like not having the profitability requirement and being able to onboard developers without the barriers the constraints of employment impose.

I did a whole bunch of research on this as I thought it would be a fun challenge to build one, I wanted to make it OSS, but I decided against it after I generally thought about what "success" would look like, I was basically thinking of building a turnkey internet nuke.

Curious about this if you can expand upon it without doxxing yourself.

Not sure if I am making the correct inference of what you are hinting at, but my initial thoughts are that something that creates a broad distrust of social media would result in a better world than a world where pre-existing comrades are the only people who have that distrust with no way of breaking through the astroturfed counter narratives.

Given FOSS bros tendency towards liberalism and reactionary ideology, open source would probably be a bad way to deploy something like this. If I had an implementation of "a turnkey internet nuke", I'd be booking a flight to Beijing before releasing it on the open internet...or at least minimally build a cadre of capable comrades I could trust to use it responsibly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Curious about this if you can expand upon it without doxxing yourself.

Often software success is measured by adoption. Let's say tomorrow a turn key persona management system existed.

The most institutionalized levels of success possible is to be coopted by and contract out to an intelligence service (immediate pass, even the attention, immediate pass). However that means that such a system must unknowingly solve the problems of:

the features that are absolutely required for said service
the ease of migration of operations onto said service
be completely self evident to many at that service to be an answer for their problems
be a person that they could feel they could trust or manipulate into control

Very unlikely.

Another level of success is adoption in the general ecosystem. So now the DSA's, PSL's of the world can run persona management easily. Not really a big socialism success given you literally said it yourself it's a tool that if proliferated creates a "broad distrust of social media".

So who are gonna be the biggest users of such a tool? Open your phone and look at your texts. That's right the people who are shaking down grandparents, the people who are pretending to be a rich celebrity that has taken an interest in a lonely isolated person living in a rural community, scammers, flim flam artists, NFT enthusiasts, crypto bros.

The problem is that there is already a "broad distrust of social media", that doesn't stop humanity from using the communication tool, and that doesn't lower the total incidences of exploitation that happen.

If I had an implementation of “a turnkey internet nuke”, I’d be booking a flight to Beijing before releasing it on the open internet

Lol China would not have you. This is a movie plot. They don't want guys who make "rocking the boat technology" at all. You think they'd want some OSS enthusiasts running experiments with apes commenting on the net in their green zone? They have their own versions. They have their own trusted operators. This is like adoption with any other intelligence service.

In general the problem with this technology is literally like nukes. It shouldn't exist. It's easier to make social systems without its existence. This tech doesn't change anything, it makes a better integrated version of desperate components of an existing system.

If tomorrow at the same time everyone woke up with a turnkey nuclear bomb, Israel would pre-emptively nuke Gaza.