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How did China survive/evade USA fuckery so well? (hexbear.net)

submitted 20 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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When I look at other communist nations, they were invaded, couped, and/or sabotaged at every opportunity, and (forgive me, my history of China is weak) while I'm sure that China faced obstacles from capitalists outside of the country, it somehow rose up to be the power that it is today while the USSR fell, Vietnam and Korea got bombed to hell and back, Cuba was put under crippling sanctions, and surely countless other uprisings got squashed young.

But china didn't just survive, they thrived. How?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

            
              Got nukes
Stuck to the plan

[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

DPRK got nukes and stuck to the plan, but never got big like china. Just a matter of natural resources?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Its never "just a matter of" anything. The Sino/Soviet split had deep ramifications across a broad spectrum of conflicts that had a material impact on Chinas reputation with the west.

They partnered with the west in Afghanistan, backing the mujahideen. They backed Cambodia and had growing tensions with Vietnam due to their ties to the Soviets. These actions showed the west they might play ball. Nixon going to China was an effort to drive a deeper wedge between Moscow and Beijing.

After the opening up of China, they convinced Western investors to pour money into their industries. The west thought they would become a liberal democracy any day, just like they think they're going to collapse any day.

Arguably the Sino/Soviet split was a large factor in the Soviet collapse.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

~ 1.4 billion people vs. ~ 25 million, as well as having a small fraction of total territory would account for a lot

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Not to mention, you know, being sanctioned to hell and back and being bombed into the past within living memory.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

And possessing control over what was historically the least productive half of the Korean peninsula on account of it being mountainous as all hell while all the good farmland is in the hostile occupied southern half of the country.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 20 hours ago

China has a billion people which goes a long way