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Trump's Team 'Literally Popping Champagne' Over Supreme Court Taking Up Immunity Claim
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Of note, this has nothing to do with the $450,000,000 and $83,000,000 bonds he needs to put up very soon
This judgment has far more frightening implications, if the president is above the law.
It doesn't matter. He can hold off on liquidation until November and if he wins, (which would mean there's a strong chance the Senate flips), have his cronies pass a, " lol god emperors don't pay for summary judgements" bill.
No he can't. The Special Monitor overseeing his assets and watching his books has the authority to start seizing assets until he's satisfied the monetary requirements to appeal, and she can do that right now. And, there's interest running on the meter until he does.
He's gonna pay whether he likes it or not.
If she hasn't, then she won't. We all know what could and should happen, and we all know none of it has.
She can do that until March 25th, and she will act as soon as she is able to.
And you got your law degree from where, exactly?
okay what has he seized so far? Trump's already stated he's not paying that amount
I don't know what she has seized. But that doesn't mean she hasn't or won't. It just means we don't know.
But it doesn't matter what Trump has said publicly, because he's obligated to pay, and it's not just up to him or his accountants whether he does.
You're operating under the reasonable logic of how this is supposed to work. But nothings gone how it's supposed to work for Trump. He's had a decade of very public crime and been found guilty in several different ways, but has so far not had any consequences enforced. guilty of rape, tax fraud, defamation, campaign finance violations, and bribery, and so far not a penny, much less jail time.
I would argue that the two NY cases have gone exactly as you'd expect. Nothing has happened in them that was particularly unusual. Typical rape case + defamation and a corporate fraud case. All already with judgments.
And as far as collections go, it's not like buying groceries. He doesn't have to pay the full amount all at once (and probably can't). He does have to front the money if he wants to appeal, though, and all he's done is file for one. They won't take it up until he's paid up.
typical rape case???
Yes. The facts and conduct of the trial were typical, ordinary. I was not saying that rape is typical.
How many rape cases have you heard of involving no jail time?
How many rape cases have you heard of that get special, one-time grace periods to revisit 30 years later?
ETA: this was not a criminal rape trial, it was a civil one. Jail time was never an option.
Yes he can. Unfortunately. We all get to watch this birth of a dictator unfold in slow motion if Trump wins.
How? Given the powers that the Special Monitor has, how could he possibly avoid paying?
RNC certainly doesn't seem like a likely option right now, and nobody else has ponied up the money.
I always figured the Jan 6 ones were a long shot, but these other two cases are done. He's going to have to pay, and he can't get an appeal unless he pays, thanks to NY law.
That's why it's different from the federal ones.
ETA: and he can't just not pay, because the Special Monitor has a court-ordered obligation to ensure he pays his court debts. She'll just seize his assets, which she has the power to do.
It is different, because he's not the one with the power over his finances. Having a court-appointed Special Monitor who oversees every financial transaction is not remotely the same as just expecting him to pay out of common decency (which he doesn't have). Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.
If he becomes dictator, of course it won't matter, but that's a future possibility, not a current reality.
see? It's happening again. Donnie gets yet another pause, and then he'll get another, and another, until he's president and makes the whole thing go away. Delay, delay, delay, obstruct, pause, file useless motions that each need to be deliberated before they can be overturned, etc. etc.
It doesn't matter that there's a special monitor. Nothing matters. Dump won't face any consequences; It's the one thing he's good at.
That's called a slippery slope fallacy. This reduction of the bond fucking sucks, but he has 10 days to pay it (and we'll see if he does), and that doesn't ultimately mean he's off the hook.
I get your cynicism, but that does not justify your position that he's going to ultimately escape, unless you are a legal expert and know more than the other legal experts.
It's possible (though not likely) the final amount will be reduced by the appellate court, but Judge Engoron's behavior and judgement was above board. Trump will not escape unscathed, regardless.
This case isn't some goofy reading of the Constitution to justify why churches can revive segregation. It's a standard business fraud case, and the facts speak for themselves.
He can pardon himself. And he will.
You cannot pardon a judgement in a civil case.
These are state crimes. He can't pardon himself from them.
ETA: I was referring to the conversation context, which is his financial crimes, not the article, which are federal crimes.
I thought both were state charges and only federal charges could be pardoned?
That's correct. Only the NY Governor can pardon state crimes in NY
He wouldn't even need to do that. He would just need to sell a few of those Top Secret documents to MBS, and all of a sudden the Trump Org has another 2 billion worth of business in Saudi Arabia