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"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" [Y/N]
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For all that Biden has done and is doing wrong, he has still done more good for people here at home. People here choosing not to vote for Biden simply because of his support for Israel would damn this entire country, their country, to help people who don't even know them terrify me.
People caring for other people, other then themselves, terrifies you?
No, what terrifies me is that people would deliver this country, the only home I have ever known, into the hands of an incompetent kleptocratic fascist, who will inevitably give us up to theocratic ideologues, for the sake of the Palestinians. Don't get me wrong, I abhor Israel and the Israeli government for its genocide, and all who collaborate with them should be cast into the fires of Hell with them. But what is stopping that genocide worth to you? What price are you willing to pay? Is there no price too high, no expense too great? An entire nation, for a free Palestine? Why stop at just one nation? How about two? 20? 50? 100? The entire world? A small sacrifice, if it means a free Palestine, right?
No price is too high to save innocent lives, not even risking your own.
handing the U.S. over to fascism 1) Isn't going to save any innocent lives in Palestine, and 2) will cost more innocent lives here.
Your concern trolling is both sophomoric and hilariously off target
I won't argue that. My life to save innocent lives is a small sacrifice. But to OP's point, choosing not to vote this November means we get another 4 years of Trump, who has said, with his whole chest, that he will be a dictator from Day 1. You know what that means, right? It means no woman in the USA will ever have an abortion ever the fuck again. No woman will ever have access to birth control, ever the fuck again. Trans people will be rounded up. Anyone who leans just slightly to the left of the Nazis will be rounded up. Workers rights will cease to functionally exist. Black people will be enslaved once more. Children will be sent to the mines and workhouses. NOTHING is off the table.
You shouldn't be coerced like this to vote for something you don't believe in. I think OP misunderstood the sentiment of people who say that voting isn't going to solve these problems, as an idea that you shouldn't vote. If you want, vote, but you have to actually do something to fight fascism, you can't vote fascism out, you just get another maybe less of a fascist, that still kills innocent people.
You need to organize outside of the voting system and stop the industry of violence against the innocent with physical sabotage or violence itself. But make sure you also build an actual direct democratic system in the process, that is the hard part.
I get what you're saying. "The Rules" can't stop bad ideas. The only thing that stops a bad idea is a good idea and the spine to implement it. Republicans have gotten as far as they have because they believe in something, and govern in accordance with those beliefs, even if it's a bunch of bigoted, fascist, bullshit. Democrats, and liberals in particular, say, "Forget your conscience and just Trust the Process", because "The Process" is morality itself, and any ends achieved by going outside "The Process" is inherently immoral.