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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Fixed the charge on your 3-methyl-3,4,5,5,6-pentaethyl-6-butan-2-yl decane ion, aka lossane.

(It's been a while since I last did chemistry, so apologies if I messed up the nomenclature a bit)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any idea what a molecule like that would be useful for?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

Fuel? Hydrocarbons like that are quite combustible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

actually we start numbering by minimising the number of highest order addition, which is the isobutyl, if it gets same number regardless, then we try to minimise the sum of numbers, so i think it should be called

5-(isobutyl)-5,6,6,7,8-penta-ethyl-8-methyl-decane (I am assuming hydrogen's are present, just not represented, because that usually is the case)

I may alo be wrong here, it has been 4 years since I have been required to do nomenclature myself

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, my chemistry department taught me the other way around. I distinctly remember the phrase "methyl-ethyl" being thrown around a bit. Additionaly, we were taught to be more specific about isomers, hence me using butan-2-yl instead of isobutyl.

Then again, scientists often disagree strongly about things like this, so we could both be right. Also, there's a good chance this is just the A-Level specification being weird. I left my old textbook at my student flat, though, so I won't be able to check for a couple of weeks.

I could also be downright wrong myself.

As for the hydrogens, I had assumed they were not present, and that this lossane molecule is an ion with a charge of -50. This is borderline impossible to achieve in real life, of course.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Now i remember we also had to specify what isobutyl (technically just 1 isobutyl exists (not counting stereoisomers), and other form would be tertbutyl). But giving highest priority and minimising sum were definitely something we were taught.

I was free enough to look it up this time - IUPAC guidelines for organic chem - https://iupac.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Organic-Brief-Guide-brochure_v1.1_June2021.pdf (or more generally https://iupac.org/what-we-do/nomenclature/brief-guides/)

Section 7 ( c ) Lowest locant(s) for principal characteristic group(s)

Although I also remember just as we completed our unit on nomenclature, all we got was "common names", now i was supposed to know of the top of my head what a cumene is (which I think is isopropyl benzene (not going to check this one)). Same thing happened with polymers, we were taught IUPAC, and then again, "industrial names"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

As someone who paid enough attention in highschool chemistry to get a B, and occasionally watches Nile(red/blue) and E&I videos.... I know some of these words/symbols!