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You are not describing other purposes, you are describing means by which NATO pursues it's one purpose. Also, what is your understanding of the word "imperialism"?
Yet another lib who thinks imperialism means expanding territory/any invasion
Obviously things are imperialism when Russians do them. Imps are closely related creatures to orcs and goblins.
Should be self-explanatory.
It's not. What is your understanding of the word "imperialism"?
Merriam-Webster tankie
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialism
Right, Miriam webster, that's what I thought. So using that definition opens up gaping holes in your ideology.
If Palestine manages to push out the zionists and take back some of their land, will that be imperialism? Because according to this it will.
So then every economic bloc is imperialist, every capitalist organization is imperialist (always gotta capture a bigger market share!), every political party is imperialist, and any sufficiently influential cultural product is imperialism (what is pop culture if not a form of indirect political control?).
Your definition, and mirriam webster's boils down to "imperialism is when a government exerts control over something". It has the same problem as all liberal concepts: it's flat and unmoving, a child's diorama view of the world where all things are eternal and contextless, without beginning or end. Our violence, the violence of that capitalist bloc, is just a fact of nature, while violence against us is an unforgivable aberration. To see this play out in microcosm, look at how the media is treating Luigi Mangione. Our profitable mass murder of thousands is Just How Things Are, while the revenge killing of one of the figureheads of this industry is unthinkable. America's constant aggression, genocidal crimes and nuclear brinksmanship are just the order of things, while any moves by Russia/Iran/China/Venezuela/Cuba/North Korea/whoever to protect themselves from us is warmongering, and they must be punished like children.
Simply put, if we accept the definition you've given, then we have to answer the questions it raises, questions like "why should I, a citizen of the country that perpetrates the very worst of these crimes as a matter of daily business, believe anything it says about it's enemies? Why are you choosing to apply your definition only to those countries that the US has made it expedient to hate? If you genuinely hold anti-imperialist convictions, what makes you think supporting your imperialists at home instead of fighting them is an effective way to act on that? What are you actually accomplishing with your "Neither Washington nor Moscow, but actually Washington" faux-anti authority that every communist has witness four trillion times before?"
You are talking to me like I'm someone who worships US and their imperialism and capitalism, I'm not. So all your targeted comments just falls flat to me.
Freeing yourself from apartheid state is by definition anti-imperialist...
You are clearly trying to "boil down" the definition to fit your own narrative. It clearly states that simply having control over something is not enough to be imperialist, you need to have dominion over it. Something like bilateral economic dependence is not soft power that constitutes imperialism.
It's clear that you are not interested in honest discussion where we can disagree on merit instead you seem to be arguing against something that I haven't expressed. Have a nice day.
I'm talking to you like someone who is demonstably falling back on US propaganda lines at every turn. I dont care if you hold reverence in your heart for the US empire, i care that you are going out of your way to try and justify it. I care what you do, not what you say you think.
By who's definition? Certainly not mirriam-webster's. Do you have another one I haven't seen yet?
I am considering your stated views one step further than you and pointing out the contradictions that arise
Now we're splitting hairs. Where does control become dominion? What's the difference?
I'm bringing analysis where you've brought shifting definitions and unexamined quasi-religious truisms about the absolute necessity of an instrument of US imperialism. Where's your merit?
Merry Christmas/happy holidays
Beautiful line comrade
How is any of that positive for humanity?
Because any war leads to human losses, so prevention of war is a good thing, not bad.
NATO does not prevent war. The term "defensive pact" is bullshit. NATO has always been a geopoltical aggressor. Its an appendage if US empire
Don’t you hate it when your war prevention alliance has been at war for thirty years straight
Its literally the worst war prevention alliance ever, but of course, the actual purpose of a thing is what it does
You are arguing against something I haven't said. Yes, US missuses NATO for their own purposes, I stated that in the first comment in this thread...
But that won't change just because NATO gets disbanded without changing the systemic issues that created NATO in the first place. Because it will just be re-born under a different name with the same stated goals and the same US in the driver seat. So instead of that lets address the root causes so that NATO becomes obsolete and makes it useless vehicle hence preventing US from using it as a vehicle for their aggression and imperialism.
The systemic issue that created it in the furst place is US imperialism. The US doesn't misuse NATO because its will is the only point of NATO.
What do you think the systemic issue is? You keep refering to it without naming it and act as if it deflects critisism of NATO instead of condemning it, which does not seem obvious to me.
Read the full comment. It literally answers it.
Nowhere did I deflect from the harm NATO has done. It's your position that maintaining status quo is preferable to addressing the root cause since it's fine with you if new NATO is born with a new name (lets call it MATO) as long as NATO specifically is dead.
No it doesnt. You just say systemic issues and root causes and that they need to be addressed, you never say what they are. I said what i think the issue is its the US, i have no clue what you think it is
That's not my position lol. That's the most overly simplistic read of my saying Death to NATO you could possibly take. "Death to NATO - I'm totally for the status quo though just as long as its not called NATO." I wonder what you think it means when we say Death to America lol