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Agreed and his company and all like him should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Imagine if millions of people walked the streets to stop the healthcare scam of America? Blue and red United....
So when the person murdering people and their company aren't prosecuted. And after decades and decades and decades blue and red have not united to walk the streets and stop the healthcare scam what is your solution?
Cause right now your solution seems to be in favor of the dude murdering more people...
@[email protected] Well... I hope to find one, honestly.... I really don't know. I just don't feel comfortable with glorifying murder, even if the CEO deserved it.
I hope someone that is smarter then I am will find a better way that won't throw the United States into further division.... My concern is that Billionaires will use this murder as an excuse to hire private militias (not the cops but mercenaries like black water) which would lead to civil war.... Perhaps far fetched..... Who knows
You're right that a nicer solution sounds swell. If these people were prosecuted or the US people did come together to stop these predatory corporations it would be better than violence.
But at this point it's a trolley problem. I mean I can only assume that part of your issue is that it's more abstracted. If you were with this billionaire CEO driving a trolley car, and he was running it full steam at a pile of tied up sick people on the train track and the only way for you to stop him was to push him off the moving train and grab the breaks yourself I would hope the "right" thing to do would be clear whether you could bring yourself to do it or not.
Whenever we have big protests, we get tear gassed, shot with rubber bullets, beaten with nightsticks, and arrested. Why do you think this time would be different?
Vietnam ended because of protest.
The police cannot stop millions of people that match because most of them would agree with you.
The US needs to stop giving the microphone to extreme left and right speakers and go back to being a centrist country.....
Protest isn't easy but it gains traction when everyone is united which at the moment the United States is not.... The longer it's citizens are not united, the longer corporations will fill its coffers and pig out on your hard earned cash....
The media keeps you distracted so that none of you see how similar you are with the other side. They have even convinced people to no longer speak to Trump people.... Who does that benefit? Motherfucking Corporations. They want you to be divided in every cause possible as it remove the eye on them...
The national guard shot four people to death protesting the Vietnam war at Ohio state. Shut the fuck up and sit down liberal. It’s time the left gets a shot (hahahaha) at fixing shit.
Not sure what was your point based on what I said.... Maybe read before writing.....
You responded to the previous comment (about police violence towards protesters) with nonsense about how protests ended the war in Vietnam and how we need to go “back” to “centrism” and shut up the “extreme left” and extreme right.
It’s not a serious comment. Responding with someone pointing out the brutality and lethality of police response to protests with but Vietnam! just shows your utter lack of knowledge. The police murdered Vietnam protesters. It wasn’t the whitewashed peaceful bullshit people it’s been remembered as.
The fact that you want centrism is utterly fucking laughable. Why do you think we’re in this mess? Are you just a blue MAGA who reflexively blames republicans for everything wrong with this country without any critical thought at all, just parroting MSM talking points?
What extreme left? Who in the extreme left has any power? Name some names, I’ll wait. There is no extreme left in this country save for a handful of unorganized working class anti fascist types.
Where’s that scooby doo meme where Fred pulls the mask off the criminal and the before and after are labeled centrist and fascist? Because that’s where this convo seems to be heading. You just really don’t get it. Centrism, liberalism, conservativism (which is just further right liberalism), fascism, they’re the only ideologies with any power since… JFK? Even earlier than that? There has never been leftist power in America, ever.
They brutally attacked protesters during the Vietnam war protests, what are you talking about?
They did in fact stop millions of people in more recent protests, once again by using violence against the protesters.
As I said, it is not easy. When the elites believes they have no resistance, they pig out....
There is only so much that cops can prevent in a protest, especially in a day and age of technology where everything is recorded
I agree with the other things you said about solidarity.
But your implied view of protests, where the protesters have to suffer violence at the hands of the oppressors, is just insane to me.
And cops have been recorded commiting war crimes against the American people, and guess what the recordings did? Fucking. Nothing.
I am not saying that protesters should suffer through violence, that is twisting what is said. I said that when you are united as a people, you are capable of great things..... And protest is one of tools that you have....
I pointed out how protests are met with the violence of the state, and your response was "it's not easy"
How else could one interpret that?
Listen what I am saying is that protest will always have repossession, I ain't saying its right but imagine the women who fought for their rights to be considered equal. They were beaten and jailed but it didn't stop them and eventually it brought changes...
Nothing comes without sacrifice and honestly I don't want to live in a world where murder is the solution to our problems as it is a slippery slope in my view.
I don't have the answer, but I sure as hell know it's not the way
So we're back to the protesters having to suffer.
Nah, I think the oppressors should suffer instead.
The slippery slope is a common logical fallacy. It's not real. Look it up.
Look man, I don't see what your solution is here, you don't want to protest so what are you proposing as a solution? Just give power in the end of a random guy who decides to shoot random billionaires? Do you not see what I'd the next step outside of the typical justification for the rich to have their own militia and the actually lead to even worst civil violence?
As I said, I don't have he answer but protest and boycott do work. It is what made the world change the policies for apartheid South Africa, it is what forced the British out of India.
The onyl difference today its that its harder to prevent the truofrom coming out but what is the point if no one will stand up for what is right.
He’s a whiny liberal and needs to stfu and let the left get shit done.
You liberals had fucking decades to fix this with your incremental bullshit means tested reforms. You failed. Miserably.
You are the finest example of the American typical citizen who acts like a frog.... You let the media dictate your actions instead of using your own intelligence.... It's a pity...
Go look in the mirror enlightened centrist.
I’d love to know what media you think I look at. The only social I’m on is lemmy. I don’t own a TV. I pirate news articles from all over, especially business and foreign affairs publications. I read the entire wide spectrum (/s) of pro capitalism right wing to pro capitalism liberal US media. Then I read the smaller independent leftist/anarchist/Marxist stuff. Then I read international news and the general news wires. I read it all.
My view points come from watching this system fail me over and over and over again and seeing the root of it is capitalism and imperialism itself. I cheer on evil CEOs getting shot. They’ve been committing social murder for decades while our government and legal system condone it with no recourse for the public and no more peaceful options left. I can’t believe it took this long.
If you suffered like I have under the American healthcare system you’d quit your enlightened centrist utter bullshit.
So two things.
First off, tell them, not me.
Second, we want to make them think about their opinion so that they can see that they're wrong. If you're combative like in your comment above, they're just going to dismiss you as an asshole and not listen to the point you're trying to make.
They haven’t listened for forty years why would they start listening now?
Fair enough @[email protected]