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submitted 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Didn't really think there was that many of them on here. I feel like every time I see memes like this on here it's just people preaching to the choir.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 37 minutes ago

They banned people and then celebrate the silence.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Focusing on these people was an unhealthy obsession, and most of the attempts to reach them were needlessly adversarial to the point of being toxic and hardening their resolve to not vote for Harris. Gaza was a losing issue for Harris and this attention just kept it front and center. Sad to see the obsession continue.

Anyways, this is not why Harris lost. It was a landslide and Trump won the popular vote by a huge margin. Americans don't vote in large numbers on foreign policy - not unless Americans are getting killed. Kamala lost because she kept telling struggling families that the economy is great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 56 minutes ago

Focusing on these people was an unhealthy obsession, and most of the attempts to reach them were needlessly adversarial to the point of being toxic and hardening their resolve to not vote for Harris.

This is exactly why so many dug their heels in. The idea of leftists making a weird or nonsensical decision baffled and enraged many other leftists and liberals, the unhealthy obsession metastasized to full-blown cancer towards the election, I swear the left was arguing more with itself than the MAGA's, and that's also by design, nobody wants to debate the right because they're insane, so better focus efforts on those who supposedly want the same thing, right?

The funny thing about the human mind that nobody gets yet is that attention is more important than what kind of attention, the fact that their obstinance about not voting democrat was getting them so much attention, making them feel like the persecuted minority, getting support from like-minds, it just created a mini-MAGA front. And sure, it probably wouldn't have changed the election but it shows clearly how the only thing standing between us and a better future is our own idiocy as a species. Every damn time, we're going to sabotage our collective future because of our personal feelings. MAGA are just people less aware of the world and more happy to be who they are. That's the only difference between us.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

Adding in an edit: downvote it all you want, you know it's true. Hell, in his last election he DID lose the popular vote. Some democracy. More voters, actual people who took the time and effort to go and actually vote, wanted a different president, and got shown their votes don't matter unless they live in a swing state.

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Anyways, this is not why Harris lost. It was a landslide and Trump won the popular vote by a huge margin. Americans don't vote in large numbers on foreign policy - not unless Americans are getting killed. Kamala lost because she ~~kept telling struggling families that the economy is great~~ has a vagina.

Fixed that for you.

Also she didn't lose the pop vote by a huge margin. 3 million people is literally 1 percent of the population.

If this were a democracy and pop vote mattered, there are probably 10x that number of people who would have actually voted. Then I'd guess she would have won. Look at (greater area) Chicago. 9.5m people. 12 million people total in IL. how many Illinoisans didn't vote because why does it matter? About 2 million probably.

Disclaimer: That last paragraph was obviously arbitrary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

Interesting that you seem to assume that Harris would have done better with the people who didn't vote than with the people who did.

A Democrats losing the popular vote to a Republican by 1% is a huge margin. What matters isn't the entire population, it's the swing voters.

Democrats straddle the desires of their wealthy patrons and the desires of voters. They always try to give the people just enough to scrape by. The result is that we consistently have elections with tight margins. Democrats are playing a game of high stakes chicken every election.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 45 minutes ago

You're assuming that the entire 1% were swing voters. So no. It's not a huge margin.

Ok average nearly half the country votes, every year. Yeah - that number should be way up - but 75% of those votes wouldn't matter. That's the point/problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

While establishing actual democracy is absolutely a priority, it's not a guarantee that we would have had a better outcome. Australia has RCV and compulsory voting already, and are trending right anyways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 44 minutes ago

No it won't magically fix everything but at least the voters would have no one to blame but themselves for who they elect to office.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Stop blaming vaginas for not getting votes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

I will. When misogyny goes away.

I will. When women can control their own bodies lmfao.

I can keep going but. Shut the hell up man.