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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There were too many straws, bricks, pianos, etc. to determine which one finally destroyed that camel.

But dick cheney is a pretty massive weight, especially when the camel is running over the left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But dick cheney is a pretty massive weight, especially when the camel is running over the left.

The logic just doesn't make even the least bit of sense.

What you're telling me is that people were planning on voting for Harris. They liked Harris' policies and knew what a Trump presidency would bring. But because Liz Cheney -- a woman, remember, who sacrificed her own standing in the Party and torpedoed her own political career in order to stand up to Trump and try to give legitimacy to the J6 hearings -- showed up to one of her rallies and endorsed her, that was such an insult and affront to them on a personal level that they were willing to sit at home in protest and hand the country over to Trump. That doesn't even pass the smell test. Those people were never going to vote for Harris anyway. Cheney was just a convenient excuse.

You don't have to like Liz Cheney. God knows I don't agree with her on a single political issue. But Liz Cheney wasn't running for office. Liz Cheney is a far-right nutjob, but even she's giving MAGA the side-eye. It's a prime example of winning the battle but losing the war. Sometimes, you have to look at the bigger picture, and in some battles, you need to accept that the enemy of your enemy sometimes really is your friend, if only for a little while.

It's not like Harris picked Cheney for VP or something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're starting from a flawed assumption. It's more like "Oh boy, the DNC made the decision to ditch Biden and run someone slightly progressive, how exciting," to "Why hasn't she called it a genocide, is she going to be any different on Israel than Biden," to "Why do they keep insisting the economy is fine directly to the face of people who are currently suffering," to "Why did we even bother ditching Joe Biden if Harris isn't going to make any changes from him," until finally "Liz fucking Cheney? Seriously? Fine, just tell me to fuck off before you take my $20 next time."

I think a lot of people were very invigorated to vote for the Harris/Walz ticket when it was first announced, and then little by little that energy was whittled away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

This is the answer. People straight up just didn't show up. Dems lost races they could've won because too many people just said fuck it after enough crap from this campaign. I'm in AZ, after the election I'm finding out quite a few people I know just didn't go.