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Typing monkey would be unable to produce 'Hamlet' within the lifetime of the universe, study finds (phys.org)
submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the point is less about any kind of route to Hamlet, and more about the absurdity of infinite tries in a finite space(time). There are a finite (but extremely large) number of configurations of English characters in a work the length of Hamlet. If you have truly an infinite number of attempts (monkeys, time, or both are actually infinite) and the trials are all truly random (every character is guaranteed to have the same chance as every other) then you will necessarily arrive at that configuration eventually.

As far as your process, of procedurally generating each letter one by one until you have the completed works, we actually have a monkey who more or less did that already. His name is William.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think the point is less about any kind of route to Hamlet, and more about the absurdity of infinite tries in a finite space(time).

I know. It's just that creationists misuse that metaphor so often that I couldn't help but share my brainfart here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

monkey who more or less did that already. His name is William.

????????

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ol Bill Shakespeare. He wrote Hamlet, one correct letter at a time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Humans are apes, apes are monkeys, paraphyletic groups are bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be entirely fair, apes aren't monkeys. I don't think that particular distinction is really all that relevant to the discussion, but technically...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

From wikipedia:

Traditionally, all animals in the group now known as simians are counted as monkeys except the apes. Thus monkeys, in that sense, constitute an incomplete paraphyletic grouping; however, in the broader sense based on cladistics, apes (Hominoidea) are also included, making the terms monkeys and simians synonyms in regard to their scope.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh neat. This is all taxonomy that is well beyond me. My defense of calling humans monkeys is that everyone does it, and that's how language works. Glad to know I'm correct too, technically lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Username checks out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

isnt that a misconception? apes just share a common ancestor with us

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well. technically he was an ape rather than a monkey.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Technically true, I think it still fits for the layman.