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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Fifty years later we have reached mars with drones and created space probes to expand our knowledge of space.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

We need some kind of automated workshop on Mars. Send a boatload of refined materials up there and a small autofactory that can craft marginally useful gear and replacement parts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

First, we need an autofactory. This is not a minor step.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

We need a hardened autofactory, capable of self-repair and or serious fault tolerance.

Power, protection, temperature stability, something capable of 3d printing without a lot of finish work. How cool would it be to print a new wheel for a rover and install it? Imagine rovers being delivered batteries and solar panels by mini helis...

It's sci-fi for now, but not impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

It's absolutely possible, quite likely now. It would probably be too big a project to do anywhere but earth and maybe the moon right now. But the doors it would open if completed...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago

Actually the rate of major mission launches and new "firsts" was highest in the late 60s/70s, slowed significantly in the 80s/early 90s, and resumed at a moderate and consistent pace from the mid-90s until today (although today missions became far more complex and focused on detailed science rather than just achieving things).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We reached Mars with probes 50 years ago. I'm not in any way trying to denigrate the amazing achievements of the Mars rovers. But the fact remains that a human crew could have done all that and more (like drill a hole) in a few weeks at best.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And 59 years after landing on the moon we’ve just been watching Space X rockets explode instead of going back on rockets NASA proved it could engineer with slide rules and drafting tables.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Relying on Starship as a moon lander is one of the most hare brained decisions of NASA in recent years. OTOH, it would be perfectly feasible to get a moon mission going using Falcon 9 as the launch vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

The Falcon series would be very limited for a moon mission. The Saturn V could get 47 metric tons into a trans lunar injection. Falcon 9 can get about 27 metric tons into GTO--not even to TLI (which isn't even listed in public information I could find, though one random Reddit post claims 3 metric tons). The Apollo lander was 17 metric tons, and it could take two people and a rover for a little tour on the surface. We can maybe shave some of that weight off with a new design, but probably not by half or anything really significant like that.

If we want to go back to the moon, it should be for more than taking pictures and picking up some rocks. You may not even be able to do that with a Falcon rocket.

NASA doesn't exactly rely on Starship for this, though. SLS does technically exist. It's just expensive, took far too long to build, and should probably be written off. Bezos might have something coming up, but who knows. Still relying on another space billionaire either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

We should be shipping construction materials.

Of course,we'd need the whole world to be working together not to steal eachother's goods...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It wouldn't be a one shot mission, of course. SpaceX have proven that they can launch a bunch of those in quick succession. That would still be a fraction of the cost of the idiotic SLS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Maybe if they could get in-orbit refueling to work on the Falcon? IIRC, Starship would require that for trips out of LEO, anyway. Nobody has done it before with a crewed rocket, and there's been some criticism that Starship's plan relies on this thing that hasn't been proven.

The Lunar Gateway is supposed to have a final assembled mass of 63 metric tons. May or may not be able to make that work at all with Falcon.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

SpaceX had a brilliant track record for safety with their novel reusable rocket boosters. Even the first couple of Starship prototypes were incredibly successful, massively exceeding mission goals.

Unfortunately Musk seems to have entirely lost the sauce and is killing all of his companies, diving into conspiracy nonsense while funding an incredibly unpopular election campaign, gutting the federal government and tanking the economy by single-handedly raising the national unemployment rate through expensive and unnecessary layoffs. And during that same time Starship has become incredibly unreliable with prototypes not only failing to reach orbit but even exploding on the pad before attempting liftoff.

Meanwhile competitors are popping up around the world trying to recreate SpaceX's falcon rocket boosters, and many are starting to achieve success. Musk could have owned space but instead gestures wildly at everything and nothing in particular

Musk should have stepped down from all of his companies about 5-10 years ago and let them continue on without him. Maybe he'd run a funky tiny/manufactured home startup to try to "disrupt housing" or an online healthcare startup to try to "disrupt healthcare" or maybe he'd be running a drone startup to "disrupt warfare" or maybe he'd just sail off into the sunset impregnating as many women as he can convince to carry his kids while shitposting away on twitter. We can only dream only such an alternate reality

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

He got a taste for power and got addicted.
Weak.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Actually, we first landed on Mars with the Viking series of probes in 1976. Then there was a whole lot of time where we didn’t do anything before we started again with Mars in the late 90s.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We have even figured out aviation on mars so thats kinda cool :D

[–] [email protected] 21 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

No no, it's cooler than that. We tried out aviation on Mars to make sure we figured out how to do aviation on Titan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Goddamn that’s so fucking cool

[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Incidentally, that mission was one of those surprising successes. The drone they sent was really barebones so it could tag along on another mission. Lots of people thought even doing that was a waste of launch mass. Nobody expected it to work all that well. It ended up working incredibly well and got used far beyond its planned mission until its rotor blades broke.

Now the team gets to build a real one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Yeah its a great story. I watched the Veritasium vid about it and its so much cooler when you hear the backstory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20vUNgRdB4o