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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

A few folks have mentioned that these charts

  1. conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
  2. does not include people who do not identify with one of those dominant parties
  3. have some somewhat unreliable stats magic behind them

A lot of young men in the US are reporting themselves as "not a Democrat or Republican", and that's causing a lot of this proportional shift. I would bet that characterizes a lot of folks on this site who are not conservative.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/13/24098780/politics-gender-divide-generation-z-youth-men-women

https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2024/01/28/is-the-ideology-gap-growing/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations

Why do so many people on Lemmy insist on pretending that liberal/conservative aren't relative terms?

Every single time those words get used with their little l/c to mean "relatively liberal/conservative) I see multiple people go "well ackshully a Liberal is a right wing ideology!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The actual opposite of conservative in this case would be progressive. Liberal isn't a relative term, progressive is. It's easy enough to tell from context but when there's already no info on how these graphs came to be it just adds to them being questionable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Those ‘unaffiliated’s are just embarrassed republicans. Just like most of the centrists you’ll run across.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh hell nah, I’m independent and I am definitely an embarassed left leaning voter

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

In the UK, where there actually is a centralist party, most of the "centralists" don't actually vote for them. Which really tells you everything you need to know about centralism. It's not a political ideology, it's just a refusal to engage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

On the flip side, in Europe extreme right parties are mostly being propped up by young men, while in other age groups men and women vote relatively similarly, which supports this finding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wish more people would read Jane Jacob's system of survival since I think it's a good breakdown of liberal/conservative. It's also an excellent book that's not that long and easy to read.

Liberals are A conservatives are B. Society needs both. Neither are inherently bad, it's probably more that humans/life/society is cruel by nature.

Moral Syndrome A       Moral Syndrome B
shun force       shun trading
voluntary agreement       exert prowess
be honest       be obedient and disciplined
collaborate       adhere to tradition
compete       respect hierarchy
respect contracts       be loyal
use initiative and enterprise       take vengeance
open to inventiveness and novelty       deceive for the sake of the task
be efficient       make rich use of leisure
promote comfort and convenience       be ostentatious
dissent for the sake of the task       dispense largesse
invest for productive purposes       be exclusive
be industrious       show fortitude
be thrifty       be fatalistic
be optimistic       treasure honor
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Exactly. I would be almost as upset with being classified as a liberal or a Democrat as I would be a conservative.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

At the same time I know many people (my brother included) that claim to be "independent" because they think that the trump camp is somehow outside the conservative camp, and therefore respond "independent" on polls. Because they think "I'm not democrat or conservative, I just want to drain the swamp" and then support trump, who is literally a swamp.