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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.

Because Wayland doesn't, and probably won't support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I'll have to move to Mac or Windows. I'm devastated.

Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.

I'm literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland's lack of support for accessibility.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

It says "X11 disabled by default", does that imply you can enable it again?

In any case I wish you the best

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn't support what the accessibility tools require.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that'll hopefully have changed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

That would be nice. I hope so

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

i've heard MATE works well for accessibility, have you tried it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren't possible under Wayland (yet?).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Pretty sure both have been available through portals for at least a year