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NATO apologism (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

A bunch of random citizens isn't going to sway me.

Until you've got the government itself proclaiming master race shit, they ain't Nazi.

Prisons are also not concentration camps. You know what I mean by concentration camp, where people go to be exterminated en masse. Russia Prisons are shit, but they're not concentration camps.

Russia isn't on the level of Nazi Germany.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Until you’ve got the government itself proclaiming master race shit, they ain’t Nazi.

In 2021, the official discourse in Russia changed quite unexpectedly: in the summer and autumn an anti-migrant campaign unfolded in state media, as reflected in statements by pro-government politicians and public figures. Actively discussed were such (supposed) issues as the threat of “ethnic crime,” excessive numbers of migrants and the harm they do to the labor market.

The reason for this campaign remains unclear, especially considering that the number of foreigners in Russia had declined significantly due to pandemic-related entry restrictions. In addition, in many cases the media wrote about threats emanating not only from migrants, but also from Russian citizens – for example, from Dagestanis or from foreigners who had long ago taken Russian citizenship – which only showed the racist underpinnings of the campaign.

“Gangs of uninvited guests threaten every Russian individually and all Russians collectively. It would not be an exaggeration to say that before our eyes a threat to the Russian State itself has emerged,” wrote Konstantin Malofeev.

Since the beginning of 2024, the SOVA Center has recorded 136 cases of such vigilantism. In Kaluga Region, for example, Russian Community participated in police checks of migrants at construction sites and restaurants, collaborated with the Directorate for Traffic Safety in cracking down on illegal taxis, and in Ryazan and Yekaterinburg, as well as Krasnodar Region, even patrolled the streets.

“The convergence of the official political rhetoric with nationalist ideology is perceived by nationalists as an unofficial green light for vigilante initiatives.”

Prisons are also not concentration camps. You know what I mean by concentration camp, where people go to be exterminated en masse. Russia Prisons are shit, but they’re not concentration camps.

So Nazi Germany wasn't Nazi Germany until 1941?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So Nazi Germany wasn’t Nazi Germany until 1941?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Russia isn't like Nazi Germany at all. They become Nazis once the government starts believing in a master-race ideology and exterminating people based on their creed.

Being anti-migrant is not the same as Nazi Germany's "Let's exterminate the lesser races."

Saying this is Nazi, that is Nazi, everything is Nazi, gives actual neo-nazis more power. Stop calling things that you don't like Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If your point of view is that you can't compare ultranationalists who send dissidents to prison camps while invading neighboring sovereign countries and slaughtering their populations in campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide to Nazis, I'd thank you to unmod me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah the ultranationalists are neo-nazis, no doubt about that.

But the Russian government themselves aren't yet to that level of extremism despite pushing the ideology in Western nations. Yeah, Russia is imperialist and invades their neighbours, yeah, you can argue that war is genocide, but this doesn't make them Nazi Germany.

Nazis believed themselves to be a master race, and so far, the Russian government hasn't shown any signs of such beliefs.