I came across this old thread on 
. The question brings out the core Conservative belief that some people are lazy or "worthless" and "why should I pay for lazy people" or "why should I have to work for someone else to live off my labor?"
Many, many people on this thread say outright that people who they deem "lazy" don't deserve food or shelter or anything a human needs to live.
Is there a good counter to this talking point? It's pretty disgusting TBH being confronted with this. I know it's what they really believe but it still stings to read it out over and over again.
I don't understand how some people can think humans don't have an inherent right to exist. Not very "pro-life" of these people.
"Lazy" is an opinion and our society is built to treat people who aren't helping a Capitalist make profit or become a Capitalist themselves like they're burdens on society.
Life isn't fair, it never has and it never will be. Maybe some of your money goes to help a person who doesn't "work as hard as you"? There's also people who are born millionaires, people who have investments paying them for no work, people who win lotteries and jackpots or marry into wealth and never have to lift a finger again.
Forcing people to work in order to live doesn't sound fair to me. It sounds like slavery with extra steps. What kind of freedom do we truly have if we can't choose to withold our labor or check out of the system altogether?
I'm struggling a little mentally with feeling guilt around my failing job search. Technically I'm working on building three income streams, maybe four, but it feels like "failure" because I'm not making enough just yet to cover all bills. It's not for a lack of trying but there's ti.es where I have no energy to do much and it makes me feel terrible. This part of Conservatism always drove me up a wall. Hopefully some of you have good ways to fight against it.
It's true that everyone should be helping out the social whole to the best of their ability but to measure that solely in their ability to do a job making capitalists money then your measurement stick is fucked to begin with.
In a vacuum sure people should share the burden. They, we, have a responsibility to do that. Not fulfilling that responsibility could be called lazy. The idea that a job shows social worth is rooted in the assumption that the job benefits society. That any job does, really.
At the same time if my job is making mustard gas at the death factory then how am I helping society? If my job is selling candy to pre-diabetic kids does me not being lazy cancel out the social deterioration my job causes?
Proponents of capitalism are not qualified to discuss what laziness is because they can't tell the difference between benign and malign activities so long as they make money.
Further, from a Marxist sense, telling someone they are lazy because they don't volunteer themselves into a relationship where the bulk of their labor value is siphoned off so the money can sit in the Cayman Islands or whatever is laughable.