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US conservative influencers say they are ‘victims’ of Russian disinformation campaign (www.theguardian.com)

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A number of high-profile, conservative influencers in the US have said they are “victims” of an alleged Russian disinformation campaign, after the Biden administration accused Moscow of carrying out a sustained campaign to influence the outcome of November’s presidential elections.

Tim Pool and Benny Johnson published statements on Wednesday evening addressing allegations that a US content creation company they were associated with had been provided with nearly $10m from Russian state media employees to publish videos with messages in favour of Moscow’s interests and agenda, including over the war in Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 months ago (2 children)

These fucking shills claiming they are victims. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Victims that got rich off of their victimhood.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, they might not even be wrong.

Doesn't mean they're not also perpetrators.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It’s not that they are victims. They are just useful idiots whose idiotic idiot views aligned with the political goals of Russia.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, Russia is funding all sorts of critics of the US government, some of them on the left too. Doesn't necessarily mean they agree with Russia on everything. When RT was still allowed to broadcast in the US, people like Chris Hedges had a show on there.

Honestly, I don't see how this indictment squares with the first amendment, especially after citizens united. If money is speech, what's the difference between some American billionaire funding some guys that say things they agree with, and a foreign government/billionaire doing the same? If they're banning Russian funding, why not ban Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, South China Morning Post, the BBC, etc?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Per this:

An indictment charging… conspiracy to violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) and conspiracy to commit money laundering was unsealed today…

Between in or about October 2023 and in or about August 2024, RT sent wire transfers to U.S. Company-1 totaling approximately $9.7 million, which represented nearly 90% of U.S. Company-1’s bank deposits from all sources combined. The wires were sent from shell companies in Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and Mauritius, and were often accompanied by wire notes ascribing the payments to the purchase of electronics. For example, the wire note for a $318,800 wire payment from a shell entity in Turkey to U.S. Company-1 on March 1, read: “BUYING GOODS-INV.013-IPHONE 15 PRO MAX 512GB.”

U.S. Company-1 never disclosed to its viewers that it was funded and directed by RT. Nor did U.S. Company-1 or its two founders register with the Attorney General as an agent of a foreign principal

The first amendment right to free speech does not include the right to defraud. Fraud is generally considered a crime in the US. The indictments are not regarding the content that was produced/influenced, the indictments are regarding RT pretending to not be RT and falsifying financial records in order to do so.

Also, RT is still allowed to broadcast in the US. RT voluntarily pulled out of the US market after cable providers dropped the channel following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as is there first amendment right.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah I think they're trying to slide the left toward independents. It's probably not all that hard with Gaza going on, except for the fact that Trump already spewed that dictator on day one b*******. As much as we'd like more progressive things to happen we're absolutely certain what happens if Trump gets in and there's plenty not to like on both sides.