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Real change for Palestinians and the working class? Is that material gain worth voting for.
I bring up Zohran Mamdani as an example of exactly that, and you decide that I'm only in it for me? Lovely.
Maybe we're not using that word "material" the same way. You seem to think that means I only care about "my money." I'm talking about actual, real world change instead of some Liberal Gesture that changes nothing.
Democrats whose strategy includes moving Republicans to the Right to appear more "reasonable" and "in the center" are not real change for anyone. It is their strategy, demonstrably. Repeatedly. As cited above.
Biden's closest thing to a campaign slogan was "nothing will fundamentally change." - and he delivered on that. My friends, neighbors, community were all still hurting from Trump the entire way through his term. And the more I looked, the more it was the same everywhere.
Harris refusing to rebuke Biden? Was a critical misstep. As was allowing the party to carry on influencing Republican primaries for the same "centrist" appeal. Picking up Megan McCain and Dick fucking war criminal Cheney endorsements and refusing to alienate them was not the way to retain the Left or Youth.
And denying it or ignoring it? Is demanding that I serve you the same hugbox echo chamber as a facebook feed.
So... Are you "Blue no Matter Who" for Mamdani now that he has the Nomination? Or nah.
Mamdani or no, Liberal. Put up or shut up - is that party a "big tent" that wants to include actual Leftists open to voting, or are we not allowed to actually participate in your Helldiver "Democracy"-that's-just-branding?
I don't care about a single other word you say until I get an answer - is Mamdani a Democrat to you after winning the nomination on a platform of affordable living for all of NYC?
The platform and organizing strategy that won him an unprecedented primary victory is a model for the party that needs to be emulated, repeated. Are you open to that? Because I can vote for that. I can bring others to vote for That who wouldn't vote otherwise.
Which is it? Mamdani or no? Can your party compromise to the Left for a change now? Or is that privilege only reserved for Fascists in even a minority party, such as under Obama's first 2 years?
There are more positions we need to vote for then just the one Mamdani ran for. Only voting for people who meet your personal purity test isn't a useful strategy.
Obviously. There can be more than one lesson to learn from an election.
90% of your agrument is addressed to an imaginary neoliberal. All so you can larp about being so pure for only being willing to support one guy. We need more than the mayor of the New York to defeat fascism.
About Zohran Mamdani, say the words, Liberal: Vote Blue No Matter Who.
Say it.
Quit dancing around it, quit pretending this has nothing to do with everything else I've brought up in our discussion.
Say the Line, Bart.
Say it.
Because when all I hear is "vote blue no matter who" unpacked, without acknowledging him? Is Liberal Cope, from a meat-bot that cannot acknowledge the reality implied by the principles it spews.
No more dancing. No more trying to be clever. Say the fucking line, Bart, and be an actual person again.
I support Mamdani. I'm going to vote for the furthest left, viable candidates that I can. In most cases, in the short term, that's going to be neoliberals. Hopefully all the candidates will be socialist eventually.
Your argument is fully committed to owning this neoliberal that you've invented. I don't care about what other people think about me. I'm way to close to the chopping block to care. So I definitely don't care about your views on this other person you're pretending to have an argument with.
But you're argument is an excellent example of how to be politically ineffective so I'll keep dismantling it. People need to out grow this mindset of preserving their personal moral purity in order to be politically effective. Instead they'll need to learn how to analyze what strategies are the most useful.
You're spending time pressuring a post-anarchist voter to vote. Im a walking contradiction, but you won before this conversation started.
I'm spending my time asking you to pressure the Democratic Party for a coherent platform. At the point in the election cycle where they could actually have something workable for the coming elections.
They Democrats are our best electoral hope. Its time they took this seriously. If I promise to vote, can I ask you to demand the party infrastructure actually function?
I don't control the Democratic party.
Your argument is inherently accelerationist. Everyone needs to know how self-destructive it is.