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Wouldn't they be genderfluid, not trans?
You're right, my bad
that's still transgender
No it's not. Transgender and genderfluid identities are different.
So a tricky thing with LGBT words is they seem to vary around specificity.
Like people can say gay to mean gay men, gay people, or any kind of queer.
Similarly transgender can mean a gender identity not matching your biological sex, which includes genderfluid; or it can mean specifically a binary trans man/woman.
These aren't different valid opinions about the label. They are literally just different definitions for the words that depend on context. The words mean all of those things but usually only one in each context.
Hold up. No, that's not correct. I am trans myself, and while I'm assuming it's not your intent to do so but this is walking in to some toxic gatekeeping that is common in some communities. Not tying to call you out, but respectfully and politely, it's a pretty big party foul to say a group is or isn't trans.
"Trans" is an umbrella term in which transgender, transexual, non-binary, generfluid, demi boy/girl and Intersex people all fit under. None of these things are mutually exclusive. And conversely, it's not a requirement either. Many intersex, fluid and non-binary people do not consider themselves trans, and that is 100% their right, but many do as well.
It's entirely an individuals choice, and saying X isn't "trans" only leads to exclusion and intercommunity bigotry.
I'd prefer to let the nonbinary and gender non-conforming folks speak for themselves, and a majority of them do not consider themselves trans. I understand your concerns about potential transmed arguments that could be derived from this, but it's a part of nb erasure that must be combated
And in my experience it's the opposite. But either way we are going in to anecdotal territory which isn't helpful. What's important that we agree on is that non binary folk absolutely have the right to decide for themselves either way.
Concerns about erasure is valid, but the language matters as not to be exclusionary. There is value in saying NB, intersex and fluid are distinct identities, but not in saying they are mutually exclusive from or inherently "not trans".
i mean, i doubt many genderfluid people were assigned genderfluid at birth, so they aren't really cis. whether or not individual genderfluid people choose to identify as transgender is their thing, but i think genderfluid broadly fits under the transgender umbrella. or are you saying genderfluid people are cis?
What the fuck kind of logic is that? Do you think that people are only capable of being cis or trans? There are several gender non-conforming identities, that does not make them trans.
i mean, what other categories are there besides cis and trans? either you identify as the gender you were assigned at birth or you dont.
I literally said the term. They are gender non-conforming. Don't impose your beliefs on people that don't want to be identified the way you think they should.
How does being gender non-conforming exclude being cis or trans?
im not forcing anyone to identify as transgender.
Something something non-binary
yea my point is that nonbinary is a subcategory of trans. at least in my eyes. im not sure how else someone would categorize it, but if anyone has other ideas id love to hear them.
The prefix trans- means to go to the other side. If you aren't going to the opposite side, you aren't trans. There are many other identities that don't totally move to the opposite side, or even subvert the binary entirely.
that means only 100% MtF or FtM people are trans? interesting take.
What does 100% mean? You identify as male, female, or other. If it's other then it's not trans, it's whatever you identify as. If it's opposite of what you're assigned at birth it is.
I don't know if it's your intent or you don't know, but this is transmedicalism and it's gatekeeping that is used as intercommunity bigotry. Trans is an umbrella term that holds transsexuals, transgender, non-binary, Demi, fluid and intersex people under. We can celebrate and acknowledge the distinctions, but anyone who doesnt feel cis is absolutely welcome to the trans label. When some non binary people understand themselves, many see this as a transition from how they identified before and that is absolutely 100% valid.
Please do not tell anyone they are or are not trans. That is not your choice to make and it belongs to every single individual person to say for themselves.
so someone identifying as a demiboy who was afab isn't trans?
My understanding is that is identifying as male, right? No one identifies with all of the characteristics of whatever gender they are part of. If you identify yourself as a man and are afab then that'd be trans. It doesn't matter how strongly you identify as a man.
I'm not sure why your 100% thing is there except to try to wiggle out of being wrong. No one is 100% of a gender, because you literally can't be a perfect archetype of a gender.
Nonbinary is nonbinary. There's certainly a lot of overlap between nonbinary people and trans people, but they aren't the same.
Fair enough