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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Your feelings don't matter.

Trump has a 43% favorable rating, and there's a good chance he could win in November.

Even after the Nazis had taken Paris, there were French monarchists who felt they were too good to unite with the Communists in the Resistance.

When the Dems have an unbreakable, veto proof majority in Congress and the Senate, and the White House, then we can start to pick and choose.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When the Dems have an unbreakable, veto proof majority in Congress and the Senate, and the White House

Create an unbreakable veto-proof majority of Romney Staffers and you're going to end up with an unbreakable veto-proof policy written by Romney Staffers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I haven't seen Harris take a step backwards yet. The Romney folks are accepting her as she is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I haven’t seen Harris take a step backwards yet.

She's hostile to immigration. She's friendly with corporate finance and the California tech sector. She threw away her platforms on universal health care, higher minimum wage, and educational debt forgiveness to get the VP slot. She's a zealous supporter of the MIC and has yet to find a war she doesn't like. Her brother-in-law is a chief executive at Uber, ffs.

Why would she need to take a step backwards to meet Mitt Romney? They're joined at the hip.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

BoTH SideS aRe THe SamE!

Don't vote at all until we get the perfect candidate!! Surely sitting on the sidelines will push the Dems to the Left!!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Surely if I beat this straw man hard enough, I will win the argument!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago

Reply to an actual comment.

Get accused of creating a strawman.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

BoTH SideS aRe THe SamE!

The Romney wing of the Republican Party has huge overlap with the Biden wing of the Democratic Party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Something like 2% of the population thinks that Gaza is a big problem for America.

43% of the population thinks Donald Trump would be a good President.

Stop acting like you're living in a country on the verge of a Socialist revolution.

Obama barely got the ACA passed when he had a veto proof majority.

I hate to be the one who has to explain this to you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Something like 2% of the population thinks that Gaza is a big problem for America.

Not actually true. You'll see a 3-5% swing in the polls based on how closely Republicans and Democrats are aligned on supporting the Israeli genocide.

Stop acting like you’re living in a country on the verge of a Socialist revolution.

When you listen to Trump talk, a big part of his platform is appealing to the (whites only) democratic socialism common to the 50s and 60s. When Kamala panders to her base, she talks about cutting the private cost of health care and education. I'm not sure where you got the idea of a pending Socialist Revolution. But socialist policy is consistently appealing across large majorities of the American voting base.

Younger people want to enroll in Medicare sooner. Older people love Social Security. Parents clamor for public education. Students flock to public universities and scramble over one another for public educational grants. The whole east coast loves Amtrak, particularly when compared to prospect of being crammed aboard some Boeing To Die sardine can. People generally like having a post office and a garbage collection service.

Obama barely got the ACA passed when he had a veto proof majority.

Because the insurance lobbyists in the US Senate worked overtime to kill it. Not because people hated the idea of increased Medicaid enrollment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nothing you wrote disproves my main point.

Harris is as good as we're going to get, and it's by no means assured that she'll win.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Harris is as good as we’re going to get

If that doesn't benefit people in redder states, how will it motivate them to turn out in support?

"Sorry, fuckwits, should have moved to California if you didn't want to die of sepsis" isn't an invigorating national policy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you go into the Red states and proclaim your candidate is a Socialist you'll bring in many, many more Red voters. In fact, calling a candidate Socialist is probably a great way to get some of their voters shot.

So what exactly is your great plan?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

calling a candidate Socialist is probably a great way to get some of their voters shot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954

Still officially on the books.

But this reflects an imbalance of power, rather than popularity. Yes, you can run as a socialist. Yes, you can build up a large movement of enthusiastic participants. Yes, you can march through the streets on your way to the voting booth.

And then what happens... Just a little recreational fentanyl followed by lighting my car on fire. Normal stuff. Happens all the time. Or maybe I find a 6-foot python in my car. shrug

So what exactly is your great plan?

Obviously, just keep voting for the person the TV tells me to vote for and keep my head down until I die of old age.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Obviously, just keep voting for the person the TV tells me to vote for and keep my head down until I die of old age.

You remind me of that Ben Franklin quote.

Many men die at twenty five, but aren't buried for another sixty years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Benjamin Lay would have rolled his eyes at that one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Your comment is both obscure and pointless.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I know we need to partner with everyone who will join us at the ballot… I just do NOT want the policies being reshaped in order to “better attract” the right-wingers - whose gutting of our already laughable social safety net was a key aspect that made so many increasingly desperate Americans far more vulnerable to demagoguery like that which is constantly espoused by figures like Trump.

The real solution is clearly laid out as history has multiple examples to show.

When people can’t meet their base socioeconomic needs, they are more vulnerable to this shit. So raise the baseline standards such that everyone who isn’t a billionaire is far better off - no medical debt, no student debt, affordable rent and housing, job and financial stability, and being able to afford to have a family.

Do NOT do cuts to our already barely-existing social and economic safety nets.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

She's not changing, they are.