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    Framework 2880 x 1920 (new) display review (lemmy.world)
    submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    Wuuttup. I'm here complaining again about Framework's Linux unfriendly display. The new one this time.

    https://frame.work/products/display-kit?v=FRANJF0001

    Old display, 2256 x 1504 (3:2)

    GNOME

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    100% scale + large text accessibility

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Most apps scale appropriately
    • Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty)

    125% scale

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    Plasma

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    125% scale + Apply scaling themselves

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Most apps scale appropriate
    • Some apps can’t scale themselves and look tiny (Picard)

    125% scale + Scaled by system

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    New display, 2880 x 1920 (3:2)

    GNOME

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    100% scale + large text accessibility

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Most apps scale appropriately
    • Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty)
    • Everything is tiny

    150% scale

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    Plasma

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    150% scale + Apply scaling themselves

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Some apps can’t scale themselves, but look a little better here? (Picard)

    150% scale + Scaled by system

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    tl;dr

    In the old display, GNOME at 100% + large text was the best compromise. In the new display, Plasma at 150% + Apply scaling themselves is the best compromise.

    Interestingly, Picard scaling itself looks super tiny in the old display, but in the new display it looks... better. It's still not correctly scaled like native Wayland apps, but it's better.

    Warning

    If you can't stomach moving from GNOME to Plasma, then 🚨 DO NOT BUY THE NEW DISPLAY 🚨. The new display is worse for GNOME.

    Once again

    I am once again begging Framework to just give us a damn regular DPI display that works! Without workarounds. Without forcing users on specific DEs. Without forcing users to stop using their favorite apps. This new display has basically all of the flaws as the previous one.

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    [–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Scaling for HiDPI displays is unacceptable on every desktop OS, it is crazy that so little effort has been put into making the experience of modern monitors good.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I've had most stuff look good with Plasma 6. But not perfect.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

    I've found that it's mostly ok at some settings but less so at others. As in it will display well at 125% but not necessarily at 135%.

    [–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I feel this is one of those few sectors, like wifi compatibility, where Windows completely destroys Linux, MacOS, and BSD. As someone who regularly switches between operating systems on bare metal & 4K, trying to use a HiDPI display on *nix is painful and will only kinda work with caveats after 100 hacks (as seen here), whereas Windows has a zoom slider that just works.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    Interesting, as someone running 4k, p1440, and a 1600x1200 three monitor setup, this makes me nervous about switching.

    I never even considered Linux having scaling issues in 24'

    [–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    macOS seems to handle this pretty well, honestly. About the only issue I have is XQuartz and even it’s pretty good.

    What’s the issue you’re seeing?

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Scaling, MacOS has no actual scaling it will only lower the resolution, and using Retina on anything that isn’t sold in an Apple store (and even then) just simply does not work. It essentially has no HiDPI support past using native resolution with slightly larger text that is not adhered to by most of the operating system itself. I am at a loss at why you think this is well handled, what criteria are you using?

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

    What the hell are you talking about? You are completely wrong on this. macOS has had high DPI support since 2012, when the first Retina display Macbook Pro came out. Applications bundle 1x and 2x sized assets, and fractional scaling is achieved by shrinking the 2x upscale back down to match the selected fractional scale.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

    I'm surprised to be learning this, but I've never tried to use a non-Apple HiDPI display with my Macs. Weird that it works so well on the HiDPI built-in displays and their external displays, but won't bother to make it work right with non-Apple displays.