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I wish we lived in a post-scarcity Star Trek world where there’s no money except there is but not in the Federation except when it IS in the Federation and no one has any needs except when they do. (lemmy.world)

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I'm glad there is no money in the Federation. Unless you count credits. Which are not money. Unless you use thousands of them to pay the Barzans. Or give them to Starfleet officers to buy things like tribbles and drinks at Quark's.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe. But pretty much everything is provided for free on Earth (and presumably elsewhere in the Federation?), so while it has value, I imagine the vast majority wouldn’t care.

It's also established that there are things which can't be replicated, or not replicated properly, so they have to buy those.

And we can't just say, "well TOS just doesn't count" because it's canon. Very established canon in many, many ways. And Lower Decks especially has gone out of its way to make everything people don't like about Star Trek part of the canon.

As far as the Barzans-

Premier Bhavani of the Barzanian Planetary Republic hosted the bidding parties aboard the USS Enterprise-D. During the negotiations, Mendoza represented the Federation's interests and presented their proposal, including: a lump sum payment of 1,500,000 Federation credits would be made upon conclusion of agreement, 100,000 credits per Barzanian year thereafter, the Barzanian Planetary Republic would be an equal partner in proceeds of operational revenues of venture, Barzanian personnel would be employed as principal operating staff of ground-based support facility, long-term economic, technical, and educational assistance would be provided by United Federation of Planets, and Barzan II would benefit from increased planetary security due to protection by Starfleet, with a potential agreement term that would have expired stardate 53000.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Barzan_wormhole

Credits obviously have significant value.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's also established that there are things which can't be replicated, or not replicated properly, so they have to buy those.

True. Although this is usually stuff needed for maintaining starships, for plot reasons. Not stuff that a random person might want.

And we can't just say, "well TOS just doesn't count" because it's canon.

I'm not saying it doesn't count, just that it's contradictory. You can probably point to parts of TOS that back up or dismantle either point. I wouldn't really say your point earlier proves they use money on Earth or widely within the Federation, though.

Barzans...

Ok, looking at your summary and your link, it says they aren't part of the Federation. So where's the inconsistency?

Of course the Federation, at a governance level, deals with money when they have to work with Capitalist governments. But that doesn't mean that society within the Federation is a capitalist society.

Credits obviously have significant value.

To some, yes. To a random person on Earth, almost certainly not. They have very little need to spend them, since they can get virtually anything they want free of charge.

The Federation only really seems to use money as a way to trade with capitalist societies, which can't really be avoided unless they were intent on converting everybody to socialism by force.