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I find this very peculiar. They are in the "vote blue no matter what" mode even if "what" is open genocide, so they should also with no problem vote blue no matter who, and their entire campain for Biden have exactly one point "he is not Trump" anyway.
So why that carcass, they could as well put up random John Doe, Florida Man or a cat and "not Trump" would still work.
This is the problem with listening to their rhetoric rather thsn looking st their acrions. Their rhetoric is a smokescreen; their actions reveal their true values.
"Vote blue no matter who" is a rationalization. You are correct that if they wanted to win no matter what, they'd pick a better candidate than one who is explicitly pro-genocide, has dementia, and has fucked the working class over for his entire career. They'd go with a Bernie style populist and run on his wildly popular platform.
Western white liberals are at their core extremely racist. They fear and hate bipoc people, Middle Easterners, and especially Muslims. So Biden's genocide in Palestine is actually a positive for them -- but many* have enough self awareness to know they can't openly cheer for it without revealing how depraved they are. They don't just want to beat Trump, they want to do so while maintaining the fascist, imperialist, capitalist project. Biden is their guy
I had someone say to me recently "I have nothing against Muslim people, but I don't like their religion. The religion says you should be put to death if you leave it."
Not knowing a lot about the Islomic faith I left it alone. I imagine the list of religions void of violent punishment for going against its faith is short.
But logically, there must be different sects or denominations of the islomic faith that worship differently, interpret their texts differently, and are ultimately not "violent" in their expression. Aka Islam can't simply be a monolith.
So to hold that point of view, that islam is a violent monolith, you must at least agree then that all practicing Muslims have violence at the core of their faith and by extension are more violent...
Which is void of any materialism.
My mom is Muslim and warned me not to be public about my apostasy in case some extremists went after me. But in all the years I've been an apostate, I've told plenty of Muslims and their attitude has always been very chill and accepting -- "that's between you and Allah", "hope you find your way back but even if you don't you're clearly a good and principled person and inshallah that has to count for something. Allah is merciful after all!", " it's not my place to judge". No Muslim has ever given me shit for leaving the faith. In fact when I've told them about why (I simply can't worship someone who refused to protect my family from AmeriKKKa's systemic racism and hatred of Muslims) they've been sympathetic.
Whoever said that to you is full of shit, propagates racist Islamophobic lies, and should go die.
Yeah thats what I imagined the experience being like. It doesn't sound like it's much different then others dealing with falling out of their religion. This person wasn't a random person, so I'll take your closing sentence as an expression of frustration. We've both been doing a lot of learning in recent years and this is just another one of those moments. Confronting your own reactionary tendencies doesn't happen all at once.
But thank you comrade for your perspective, its valued.
Thanks. Yeah, it's frustration, I already used up more than a lifetime's worth of patience on having compassion for racists. It got me nowhere good and I don't feel I should have to put up with their shit anymore. I can't anymore even when I try. At this point I'm just automatically hostile to them, but I still appreciate other people who can have the patience to try to rehabilitate them. You're doing the Lord's work reeducating them so the rest of us don't have to deal with their shit.
My best guess is because Dems alienated their power base. They used to be "the progressive choice", but over the years have shown they're just the same as pre-Trump Republicans, just a little less homophobic and racist. As long as I can remember, Dems usually struggle to rally behind a single candidate and it has hurt them in elections. There'd be, like, 3 Dem choices while Republicans get it boiled down pretty quick, and the Dems always betray the most popular to select the most status quo.
So, if I had to guess why Genocide Joe is still in and backed by them, it's because they recognize they simply can't afford the arguments and division. Nobody likes them except deluded libs. Nobody believes or trusts them. Progressives are disillusioned, many realizing voting doesn't work, others desperately looking for an alternative. Meanwhile, Republicans don't have that issue. The Trump cult wants him back, and failing that they'll overwhelmingly select the closest to him, because to them voting is more about patriotism and owning the lib. They'll vote so they can say it's rigged if they lose.