chapotraphouse

you think these people are born with their believes?

No, but them being as much a product of their environment as anyone else doesn't mean that the worldview they've arrived at isn't actively contributing to their continued polarization against all other people. Like how diseases in late stages cause feedback loops that exacerbate their symptoms. For the purposes of what I originally said, it doesn't matter how they arrived at the ideology they hold, only that they have. There are a million capital R Reasons and capital C Circumstances, and all that matters to this discussion is not why they are, only that they are. I'm not interested in assigning blame or moral failure to anyone, because I find it to be a useless and unmaterialist impulse when it comes to analysis: I would rather examine dynamics as they are, resisting the urge to insert my own feelings, to see what's going on. With that in mind, this:

what you are saying is basically dating coach bullshit: just pretend to be something you are not, talk to as many women as possible and you can "expect results" and get laid.

Is a wild mischaracterization based on a mischaracterization of something I said. Nobody said anything about "expecting results" but you, twice now, while I have specifically said it's not like that. You can't treat interacting with people like a science, there is no perfect formula, and anyone promising you anything in that vein is lying or has been lied to. The facts are these:

-Inceldom is a dark social and epistemological nexus that many mostly young dudes get swept up in and preyed upon by, for a billion different reasons (see Reasons and Circumstances)

-Once you have internalized a certain concentrated amount of that ideology from that environment, it begins to affect your view of people and relationships, like many ideologies do. The social effects of this one, from what I can see, are unpleasant. Regardless of what you had going on before, this is now also an issue

-Ideally, the person affected would find a good therapist at this point. If they can't, and they don't manage to figure their shit out and they eschew even the bare minimum (bad faith) effort of concealing their contempt for the person they ostensibly want to get close to (like how lots of people with resentful outlooks manage to date, even though they really shouldn't), then it is reasonable to expect that approach to yield continued and self-fufilling alienation.

Like, obviously one should work though their negative feelings in the first place. But there are a terrifiying number of people who don't do that, who still manage to achieve at least shallow relationships by concealing their shit and playing a part. Is that approach to relationships fucked up, socially and psychologically corrosive, and a sign of a more widespread social sickness? Absofuckinlutely. But (and again, we're being amoral here) is it a marginally more effective individual approach to relationships than unconcealed hostility? Scoreboard says Also Yes.