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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Does someone know the details how he proved him wrong (in a nutshell…)?

[–] [email protected] 104 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

TLDR he provided a bunch of packet captures “proving” voting traffic was going to non American IPs. His captures where shown to have been faked because the packet checksums didn’t match, but only on the packets showing traffic going to non American IPs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

With the assistance of a LLM:

A man said he had proof that voting information was being sent to places outside of America. But when people checked his proof, they found out someone had changed it to make it look like it was true. The numbers in his proof didn’t match, so they knew he was not telling the truth.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (4 children)

That seems like pretty technical and advanced forgery for someone of his inclination?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A technical and advanced forgery would have corrected the checksums. Any script kiddie that knows a bit of python can forge packets with the scapy library, or any number of other packet manipulation libraries.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What would some use cases be for forging packets, aside from trying to claim a stolen election.

I’m not really asking because I want to do anything nefarious; just pure curiosity with these kind of things. Darknet Diaries is a great podcast for this kind of thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Funny packets make things behave funny sometimes. Sometimes you just need to see how something behaves when you send it illegal packets that the real software would never send.

It also makes it possible to cheat in some games by lying to the game server about interactions in game.

Essentially hackers need a way to talk to machines at every level of every protocol and Scapy is a pretty standard way of achieving that.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The reality is that it's probably him who got conned by whoever sold home the "proof."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Now I’m thinking I can grift extremists by faking stuff they would lap up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can see people doing that all the time. The biggest barrier is if your ethics allow you to do it. A lot of people have gotten very wealthy because their ethics don't care.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Reminds me of a lyric in a song by Ren:

Swallow all your morals, they're a poor man's quality

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

I'm sure he had help from a comrade or 2

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

I think someone sold it to him knowing he was too incompetent to have a second source check it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lindell provided data that turned out to be totally irrelevant to his claims

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

And the data was provided by someone who had a long history of fraud