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Majority of Americans continue to favor moving away from Electoral College
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It's wild that if multiple things we implemented republicans would never win the presidency again.
Any anti voter suppression method, like universal mail in voting
Ranked choice voting
Removal of the electoral college
I am sure there are even more.
Remember that republicans are the minority, they just show up to vote more often (and aren't actively suppressed)
Gerrymandering
Unpopular Fanatics vs Apathetic Majority. Conservatives refuse to change their unpopular policies and with all the crap they pull to make elections favor them, they struggle to get 50/50. If elections were made fair and representative of the population....they would never win. The only way to win in that environment is to have the more popular policies, and that is antithetical to conservativisim.
Actually, it would be better for Republicans to try to convince the population their solutions are better instead of the BS we have now. It might help the Republican Party become somewhat normal again and then get more votes. I would love it if we could have real debates on real issues, instead of the BS we have now. I might even be a tad conservative in some areas... But right now, the choice is between Dems or Crazy Town. I think a popular vote would change politics and strategy so that you couldn't have a Trump anymore.
They'd still win the Presidency occasionally. They'd just have to do it by adopting policies that more voters would support.
You know - what they're supposed to be doing.
https://youtu.be/K-hdJIWsK3A
I think it's important to point out that strategies would change if the system changed so we can't predict what the results would be.
Man what I'd give for ranked choice voting, it seems like a no-brainer
Gotta remember this system was setup by literal slavers.
There are other options as well, approval voting has several advantages over ranked choice voting. It is simpler and it there is no spoiler effect (voting for your favorite candidate will never hurt your second choice)
Some more info: https://electionscience.org/#approval-voting-explained
https://electionscience.org/education/spoiler-effect
Thanks this is interesting!
I've been working with local groups trying to get it passed. It may be worth investigating if there are some near you. Donate money or time or support.
That's awesome! I'll have to look into it
The electrical collage is way overdue to be retired. I wonder if we will have the means to actually do it.
The way elections are run Is mostly up to the states. The electoral college, though, is stipulated in the Constitution.
So is a method to change the Constitution.
That really is the only way to get rid of the electoral college.
That's not exactly true. Each state could choose to give their votes to the candidate that wins the national vote. Then the electoral college system would still exist on paper but in reality wouldn't be relevant to the outcome.
I think it would be better to amend the Constitution. But it's not the only way to make popular vote reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
The states changing their electors outside their popular vote is exactly what Trump was trying to do.
That sounds scary, but you gotta be precise. Trump was trying to do that after the fact, which would be a coup d'etat. In reality, many states have reasonably made changes over time before elections. Did you know that two states aren't winner-take-all, and that this has changed over time? Wild!
Nice try
I was hoping for more from you. You wrote something that sounded scary but was actually misleading. You could have corrected yourself, because there's value to what you were trying to communicate. Facts are important, my friend.
I can see you have long term feelings. I do not. I wasn't attempting to scare, I simply stated the truth. As such, there is nothing to "correct", as you say. I suggest you go on your merry way, as will I.
And they’re gearing up for version 2.0. Shit’s gonna get weird in a few months.
Are you suggesting with say....an amendment?
Or we could ratio it out of existence. If we had 10,000 representatives then the EC would match the popular vote results.
They would still win, but they would have to shift their platform to capture the true political center rather than the center right.