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Preeeety sure Democrats didn't decide Citizens United. Whether we like it or not, the Roberts court said money = speech, so PACs can do whatever they want, whenever they want, with whomever they want. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I fucking hate the game.
Me too, friend. Our lives are meaningfully shittier because a bunch of robed morons with lifetime appointments pretend not to know how the real world actually works and then shrug when their decisions lead to predictably awful outcomes. "I told you so" doesn't even begin to feel cathartic.
Citizens United is the cause of our lobby issues generally, yes, but the Democrats are still responsible for allowing their members to take AIPAC money.
They stopped members taking NRA money when the NRA was trying to play bothsides, they can do it with Israeli money too. Swearing off money from AIPAC and other Israeli groups should be a requirement to run in the party.
Gonna need proof on that one. Take this, this, or this as counterexamples.
You're flipping causality. AIPAC gives money to Democrats because they want to give money to Democrats. The NRA (generally) doesn't give money to Democrats because it doesn't want to give money to Democrats. It has nothing to do with the party "stopping members" from taking their donations.
That's not how running for office as a registered member of a party works. Like, at all.
Straight from your source:
You should actually read the sources you cite.
Because Citizens United makes that completely and utterly legal.
You do realize Wayne LaPierre could switch his registration to Democrat this very moment without changing a single one of the positions and philosophies he holds and run for office as a Democrat, right? You're obsessing over the branches on the trees and refusing to step back and observe that's how the system works. Party registration doesn't do what you think it does. It's not a litmus test for acceptance, it's just a checked box on a registration form.
Also, I'm not defending the morality of AIPAC, so not sure why you're so utterly bent out of shape on that point. I'm saying AIPAC is allowed to spend any amount of money it wants, on any race it wants, to support any candidate it wants, because of the Roberts Court, not because of anything the Democratic Party is or isn't doing.
You're so flabbergastingly confused about how this works that I'm not even sure where to begin explaining your misunderstanding. That's quite literally not how political parties work. A nonprofit cannot tell its members they're not allowed to take money. You know, that whole "1st amendment" thing and all.
See how I never even implied that? Go back and read my comments in case you're unsure. That's an argument you're fighting against inside your own head. You'd do better to argue against what people actually argue, rather than what you want them to be arguing.
Civic literacy in this country is fucking awful.
A pledge not to take NRA money is the prerogative of the candidate. I'm not sure how much more simple I can make this. The Party doesn't regulate what money candidates can and cannot take. Party members simply support a political position with varying degrees of consistency, and the money follows. Not sure why that's so difficult for you to grasp. Any role the Party has in directing money is indirect, at best, in that they can make acceptance of certain kinds of money unpalatable with public pressure, but not with membership requirements.
I can't think of anything more mind numbing than to argue about what a political party does or doesn't do to someone who's so obviously never even attended a precinct meeting.
LOL. I correct your half-cocked understanding of how political parties do and do not control the flow of money and you lay into an ad hominem about ulterior motives. The copium is real, y'all.
The progressive instinct to contort any factual correction into the challenge of an enemy is absolutely fascinating. Your outgroup hostility is so strikingly similar to another group that shows up in the media with regularity. How deeply ironic.
Yeah, the lobbyists have power in and against both major parties. There's nothing wrong with being critical thinking oriented.. but that's exactly what's being suppressed by that movement. I hope ppl start realising it isn't about what they're being fed to believe pertaining to Israeli policy.