this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2024
634 points (96.2% liked)

News

23284 readers
3484 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The other ones don't fail catastrophically like nuclear does.

Comparing (some) other forms of energy's deaths to nuclear is like comparing mosquito bites to shark bites. A sharks kill a lot less people than mosquitoes, but a mosquito bite won't make the news.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Well, we all die at some point, be it from malaria, nuclear fallout, cancer, car accidents, heart failure, stupidity, etc.

There are more mosquitoes on the planet than they are nuclear reactors, So I'm not sure what you think you're trying to show with that graph.

The point is a nuclear reactor failing catastrophically, yeah it's a more rare event than dying from malaria, but we seem to treat malaria treatment better than we do reactor designs and operations, especially when profits are involved.

And a person dying for malaria, doesn't put a pox of the lands around them for centuries making it unusable to anyone else. The risk versus reward calculation is much different, it's not strictly just a quantity of deaths issue.

And even if you want to talk just about the odds of failure/death, I'm sure all the dinosaurs scoffed at the idea of being killed by an asteroid, until one fateful day (how's that for a non-sequitur example!). Or flying by plane is the safest form of travel, unless you're in a 737 Max, then safety be damned.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does climate change caused by the coal industry not fall under the "pox of the lands" category?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Does climate change caused by the coal industry not fall under the “pox of the lands” category?

Eventually, yes, but a lot slower. And you can definitely put one as an S tier threat and the other one as an A tier threat.

And as I stated, if we have fusion and solar/battery then we don't have to worry about that from either of them anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The graph is per terra-watt hour. My point is that watt for watt nuclear is actually one of the safest forms of energy.

Many deaths over a period of time aren't necessarily better than less deaths in an instant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My point is that watt for watt nuclear is actually one of the safest forms of energy.

And flying is the safest form of travel, which makes the Boeing 737 Max the Chernobyl of planes I guess.

The point is the chance of failure, even if they haven't happened in a higher quantity so far, is very high, higher in nuclear power plants as they are currently designed or have been designed in the past, than other forms as you have described or supposedly newer ones that are on the designing boards as we speak. And when they fail, they fail too catastrophically, too horrendous for Humanity to have too many of those.

Just one more time, because I don't want to keep the conversation up, but I'm not anti-nuclear, just anti-old and current nuclear. Get those new smaller salt based low risk of catastrophic failure easier to operate by humans and handles human errors more gracefully reactors out there and I'll be just fine with those.