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I normally don't even want to get involved in posting a drumbeat of "here's something about Biden staying in the race" stories because, (1) I'm not sure he should, and (2) it doesn't "cancel out" the waste of time that is the incessant drumbeat of articles about how he should drop out. It's like taking uppers to counteract downers; it just doesn't work that way, it makes everything worse. And the amount of press this whole thing is getting and the way it's being presented is absolutely fuckin absurd.

But that being said, I want to post this one because I like Elizabeth Warren quite a lot and I think what she says gets to the core of the issue.

Also, if you are a Democratic politician or donor and you want to replace Biden with someone else, surely talking to the press about how he should drop out without anyone in particular in mind that you're talking to them about as a replacement, and a strategy to get that person into place, should be an absolute last, last, last resort for a way to get that done. And probably not even then.

Biden's thing of "If you want to replace me then mount a challenge at the convention, that's what it's for, and whoever wins, let's fuckin fight the real enemy" makes quite a bit of sense to me, and the longer this goes on, the less sense the people who are talking to the press about him dropping out make.

So here you go, here's a story about someone who thinks he should stay in and what she has to say.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It's easier to write people off for typing lol than it is to refute their argument.

Edit: Trump is unpopular and Biden is still down significantly in the polls. There are options to run other people. Why would you possibly not want to run a candidate that is more likely to win?

I'm getting downvoted in other comments, but nobody is telling me how the polling deficit is good strategy.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are options to run other people.

Fucking name them, then! Put up or shut up!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Harris. She is polling better and she has access to the campaign funds. I don't like either, but I'll take almost anybody over Trump. I wish people took him seriously enough to run better candidates.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t voting Biden/Harris the exact same as voting Harris if anything happens to Biden?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Yes and no. It's the same result if Biden is elected, but if Biden's name on the ticket is shown to depress voter turnout then he may not get elected in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Because not one person has identified that candidate. At all.

And I'm done talking to people who want to treat this as a school yard game. I will continue to block people who cannot debate in good faith.

Panicking about this situation does nothing, and that's mostly what I'm reading. Writing off the government, the process, the country, because Trump is polling well at the moment.

Roe v Wade is this elections spoiler. The country's future takes the back seat to that because of the pearl clutchers who spend all day online worrying but know nothing about politics.

Change candidates now? Is that new candidate on all the ballots? Are they funded? Or is this just a fantasy?

These are discussions that can be had, but they're uncomfortable ones because they ended up grounded in reality and details.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

These are discussions that can be had, but they’re uncomfortable ones because they ended up grounded in reality and details.

They all end in a Trump victory. The reality is Biden said he wasn't going to run for a second term, or at least alluded to it when running last time.

His hubris has doomed us all. You can write off the LoLs all you want. The reality is, without some major dramatic action by someone, anyone, Trump wins.

This whole cycle is like watching 2016 all over again. The Democrats are completely dismissing the facts and they're going to burn us all for their inaction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

No one is on any ballot. Party candidates aren't nominated until their convention and that determines who's on the ballot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You can really tell how liberals don’t actually believe in anything because you see shit like this in their camp.

“…not one person has identified that candidate. At all.”

Unironically posting that as a defense of Biden and somehow pretending this isn’t an indictment on the DNC’s complicity with the Republican Party.

“Roe v Wade is this elections spoiler”

… what? Are you aware who lost it and has done nothing to fight back?

Are we even living in the same reality?

“Change candidates now?”

Again, you’re literally arguing against yourself. What a shining example of liberal cognitive ability.

Let me guess, your next response is “fuck you”

Pathetic.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

The uncomfortable reality is Biden's already bad approval rating will continue to worsen as the election gets closer and his minor flubs add up.

Do you want to tap in somebody else now and get to work or wait until its too late?

Pretending that there's no possible other candidate doesn't make it true either. Other candidates haven't had to lobby delegates at convention since the 60s but the mechanism is in place for that. Another option is for the party to rally behind Kamala who is polling above Biden and who would also have access to previous their tickets campaign funds.

I agree that Roe V Wade is this election's spoiler and Biden has been doing a lackluster job at drilling into that.