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Just Stop Oil is just as counterproductive as the German "letzte Generation" its just pulling the issues into a public view with a absolute negative view, driving most people away. Some might say they are sponsored by big oil so they do this, keeping the public against them and not the actual problem...
I personally say both are just there for free Cloud.
That's a self fulfilling prophecy, isn't it? The effect you describe would not be there if it wasn't for comments like this. Or at the very least, these comments make the effect bigger.
Have a better idea?
A better idea than torching the public support that was painstakingly earned over decades? I guess every idea is better.
Putting in political work, petitions, speaking to and informing people, writing the politicians (at best paper mail, its taken more seriously) going into a party and making change from inside, protesting normally as in on the streets and not being disruptive to the public.
In general, even doing nothing would be better as what they do is driving more people away from climate politics because they associate the highly disruptive, disrespectful and destructive people with those politics and politicians that do constructive work.
This kind of Extremism is counter productive all the way through. 99% aren't being understanding about people metaphorically spitting them in the face even if what they stand for is technically a good thing.
E: fixed a spelling mistake and a missing word
I disagree that what they are doing brings any negative consequence to the movement though. Most of them are kids with no real choice. They can't join a party. Heck, most can't even vote. All the things you said are important and they are being done.
Most of these people are in their early 20s... And they can still do constructive work, the destructive behavior makes everyone else say its just children and either ignore or hate them. (or see them as a clownshow)
Oh and you can disagree, but that thinking is just not based in reality.
The things that have done absolutely nothing for the last 4 decades? Yeah lets keep doing it, maybe this decade guys
If you want things to change you need to constructively change things and if you think nothing was done in the last 40 years you are blind. Its not enough, but there was significant movement.
You don't change the world by playing toddler and breaking things...
Okay, but we do also have to break things because the legal channels aren't good enough. If they were sufficient, we wouldn't be here, now.
🤦 Do you know how democracy works?
Do you? Have you read any history books? Do you know how your rights were attained?
Yes i know and thats why im asking you. Especially because violence didn't work.
You'd despise the suffragettes
It's such a shame it's all of our collective necks that boot you're licking so enthusiastically is stomping on, not just yours.
🤦 Man this is such a stupid take i can't even.
Im probably doing more against climate change than most people "protesting" like that or supporting them.
Doubtful.
Sure, I would have stopped the fire, if only the fire alarm wasn't that loud and unpleasent.
The fact that i have actually heared similar to that regarding Carbon monoxide alarms should tell you something :/
This is btw a very very different thing, one is acute and visible, the other is abstract and "in the future" human psychology is great at fighting acute things... But not abstract things. And your simplification of this isn't helpful either.
…you know over 1300 people died during a heat wave, like, a week ago, right? And that wildfires are tearing through he goddamn arctic circle right now? The fuck you think this isn’t acute. You just don’t see it yet because it’s affecting the global south, aka, the poorer, darker skinned countries. Asshole.
You are aware that this has nothing to do with my criticism of the destructive "protests" people in my country die from hear as well. Doesn't make it less abstract than a burning building! Learn basic psychology!
The school I went to got destroyed in a flood, people die in my city due to heat in summer. It is already acute, but people choose to ignore it. Eco systems are under immense pressure all around the world. This is not something in a far away future, it is happening right now.
Don't tell that to me, im doing something about it, i can still say that the destructive "protest" isn't helping at all and that it just doesn't make things better or bring positive attention towards the topic. Its still counterproductive.
And it not being acute means you don't see the building burn, even though we can statistically show that it is, this is basic psychology "we have floods every year" "yeah it was way hotter outside when i was a child" you get it.
What are you doing to help with the systemic change we need?
Man's sat here on negative votes talking about being simple lol.
Bro i know that lemmy is a pretty radical and disconnect bouble, there is no Karma, i don't give a fuck about votes in general. I know im right and im going to tell you all that what you do isn't helping, you won't get me on your side without actual evidence that this destructive behavior is doing more good than harm regarding the issue.
"you won't get me on your side without actual evidence that this destructive behavior is doing more good than harm regarding the issue."
Oh no, sad noises, the vile hater won't support the only people trying to make a difference. May as well pack up, go home and wait for the world to end.
Shut up mate, you look stupid, you spell like a fool, and you're honestly an example of everything that's wrong with this world.
People like you are why anti climate people are on the rise again. Shame on you.
"Anti climate" Phew lad, you need to stop already, you've already proven your point.
In the 1990s everyone was very polite about it and nothing happened.
https://theconversation.com/just-stop-oil-do-radical-protests-turn-the-public-away-from-a-cause-heres-the-evidence-192901
Have you considered you aren't the target of the actions they're taking?
Have you considered that whatever they are doing is just not helping at all? They target nobody, the people supporting them are already aware, the politicians get more and more defensive and the people that aren't aware just hate them more and more, not helping at all.
Their cause is constantly in the news every time they do this, I'd say they're doing a hell of a good job.
They aren't 'bringing awareness to climate change' they're saying 'stop dissociating and pay attention to this' and it's working.
As said free Cloud, they aren't helping the course at all just farming cloud.