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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals' tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.

Normal is the right word.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok that’s a solid rebuttal around the “is it normal” argument. I’m personally still of the mindset that it’s “normal but wrong”. I wish we’d stop using normal to mean “good” and stick with it meaning “popular”. Statistics!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Well I fully agree that virtually all modern animal farming is cruel and should be reformed, yet I don't think Veganism is the only answer.
And of course Vegans shouting "YOU! Stop eating meat NOW, you monster!", only manages to make people LESS likely to do that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Normal, natural and necessary are the three N's of Carnism. Also:

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat too

Yes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics. Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself "What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now"? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.

Shouldn't you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don't do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn't we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Lol I think we'd need a whole discussion on philosophy and psychology to correctly address these points, and I doubt either of us is qualified enough.

Projecting human morality on animals is... Funny, as our higher empathy is essentially a social animal's trait that helps its group survive. Extending it to the whole universe is surely possible but who are we to say whether it's correct or not? We can only evaluate measurable effects, such as those on our ecosystem.

Regardless, I never wanted to start a discussion on veganism, I don't approve of current farming methods anyway, just pointing out that your definition of normal was wrong.