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She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election. (thiswillhold.substack.com)

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This would be a lot more tinfoilesque were a court case on the matter not already underway in New York.

The missing votes uncovered in Smart Elections’ legal case in Rockland County, New York, are just the tip of the iceberg—an iceberg that extends across the swing states and into Texas.

On Monday, an investigator’s story finally hit the news cycle: Pro V&V, one of only two federally accredited testing labs, approved sweeping last-minute updates to ES&S voting machines in the months leading up to the 2024 election—without independent testing, public disclosure, or full certification review.

These changes were labeled “de minimis”—a term meant for trivial tweaks. But they touched ballot scanners, altered reporting software, and modified audit files—yet were all rubber-stamped with no oversight.

That revelation is a shock to the public.

But for those who’ve been digging into the bizarre election data since November, this isn’t the headline—it’s the final piece to the puzzle. While Pro V&V was quietly updating equipment in plain sight, a parallel operation was unfolding behind the curtain—between tech giants and Donald Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Trump lawyer thing I did hear about, I don’t remember anything about actually changing results though, just unauthorized access.

Lot of handwaving in this post, go read the full report. There were multiple breaches.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

Trump saying something suspicious, well, he says a lot of stuff.

What does it mean though?

The drop off rates being different between the two candidates seems sensible to me, I’d expect quite a few Trump voters to just care about Trump and not the rest of the races, and less so on the Democratic side.

The point is that happened at an unprecedented rate which appears unnatural. Historically drop-off rates don’t show that level of extreme split between presidential and down-ballot races, even among single-issue or personality-driven voters. Again more handwaving based on vibes

A coordinated, multi-state conspiracy to rig the election seems very unlikely to stay completely airtight for over a year.

It didn't, it's been public the full time you've just not been listening.

Is there a source that specifically claims that these anomalies are happening in states using the same voting system and not in others? I haven’t seen that in anything linked to me so far, and that would be at least interesting.

There's clear evidence that anomalies correlate with specific machines (ES&S/Dominion), but only in strategic states/counties, not wherever those machines are used., The Election Truth Alliance noted in their Clark County NV analysis that anomalies appeared in high-volume ES&S tabulators, seen in a swing county but not replicated in other counties using the same machines. A Planet Critical deep‑dive found that “bullet ballots” — votes cast for only president, skipping down-ballot races — spiked dramatically in swing states using ES&S tabulators, with Trump bullet ballots at 7.2% in Arizona and 5.5% in Nevada, and 11% in North Carolina. By contrast, these same systems in nearby non-swing states (Oregon, Utah, Idaho) saw a spike of less than 0.05%.

If the anomalies were due to random mechanical faults or uniform software bugs, you'd expect to see them statewide - but that's not what the numbers show.

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

... did you read the update to that last link? Kinda undermined quite a bit of this.

I'm open to the idea that a conspiracy happened. We know they aren't above things like sending an alternate slate of electoral votes and then hoping to override the legitimate results in Congress, because that absolutely did happen. But stealing seven separate elections in all the swing states is a hell of a tough job, and harder to do it without being caught for months. If it did happen, there'd be more evidence than just statistical anomalies within the official results. You'd see people recorded as voting who say they never did, you'd see exit polls that don't make sense, you'd see an audit reveal missing paper ballots, there'd be something more. And even if it was the perfect crime, you'll need to find a flaw to actually get anything done about it anyway. There isn't enough here to say it happened. There's enough to look into some suspicious stuff in a few places, and go ahead and check those out, but don't get your hopes up or say that it's the only conclusion. The simplest and most obvious answer remains the most likely: the country elected Trump by choice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I hadn't, but it's only about the bullet-ballots, which are a small part of it.

There are signs beyond just raw stats and it’s not only about bullet ballots.

“You’d see people recorded as voting who say they never did”

How? The point isn’t fake voters. The claim is that the system changed how some real votes were counted, flipping votes above a certain limit for certain people. In Rockland County, NY, you have sworn affidavits from real voters saying their votes were missing or miscounted. This isn’t just “I forgot to vote” - these are people whose totals don’t match what the machines reported. That’s why a judge agreed it deserves discovery.

“You’d see exit polls that don’t make sense”

If the manipulation changed a big enough chunk of votes in a single county, then yes, you would probably see a clear mismatch between the exit poll and the final count. But what people are saying is that the alleged flips were small and spread out - for example, switching just enough votes here and there to stay under the radar.

Exit polls have a margin of error. If the flip is just two or three percent in key spots, it might not stand out because normal voter shifts, turnout differences, or shy-voter effects can explain small gaps. Plus, not every place has a solid local exit poll; some counties don’t even do them at all.

So yes, you could catch a huge flip that way, but if the flips were subtle and spread across many precincts, an exit poll alone probably wouldn’t prove it. The real test is still comparing the paper ballots directly to what the machines reported.

“You’d see an audit reveal missing paper ballots”

That is exactly what the Clark County, NV, ballot-level data shows. The machine results can’t be explained by the physical ballots alone. This is why people keep asking for full hand counts in specific high-risk counties instead of broad audits that skip over the suspicious spots.

No one is saying “Trump definitely lost.” The point is that the pattern is suspicious enough that it should be fully checked, with paper, logs, and software all verified properly. That is just basic accountability, not wishful thinking.