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Oh look, Elon openly snuggling up to Nazis and "just asking questions". As if I didn't hate this clown enough.
(For anyone out of the loop: the AfD is a far-right political party in Germany and the spiritual successor to the NSDAP. They're praising the SS, advocate for legalization of holocaust denial and historical revisionism, removal of hate crimes from the code of law, and more. They're so openly Nazis that they got kicked out of the EU parliament's far-right ID coalition for being too fucking Nazi. There's no leeway. They're literal card-carrying national socialists.)
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Notice that he, of course, does not list any of those "policies" that he's "read".
(for mastodon users who don't get the image: it's Andrew Lawrence's "you know the ones" tweet)
he's been openly a nazi propagandist pretty much since he took over twitter. they are hiding black crime stats from you.png, "this is the actual truth," etc. without saying "I am literally a Nazi" or "we should do holocaust" I genuinely don't know how much more open he can be about it
The Henry Ford of our generation.
oh huh. I didn't actually know about that bit. TIL!
christ every little bit of history I read which had some power-hungry rich fucker going "mmmm maybe we should hear them out", and then watching what's happening in popular media coverage and shit. le sigh.
@mii @blakestacey I cannot and will not argue about your points, they're absolutely valid. The words you're using however are not correct. Nazis are fascists, as are these right wing monsters. They are antisocialist, not socialists. They are against socialism and against democracy and only for their own brand of autocracy.
"National socialism" is the term the Nazis invented to describe themselves. "Nazi" is the abbreviation of the term "national socialism". Could be good to know.
@mountainriver Are you really shocked that the name is a lie?
don't be the annoying pedant; we're fully capable of understanding that the “national socialist german worker's party” was not a socialist party (and that a “nazi” is a pejorative and was from the start), that the phrase “marxist-leninist” is generally used to mean “left-authoritarian but want to pretend it isn't”, that the “communist party of the soviet union” was actually presiding over a project of building an authoritarian state capitalism, and that the “republican” party in the united states is trying to make the united states a theocratic dictatorship.
@mawhrin I'm sorry if you were annoyed, but words matter.
Congratulations on missing the entire point of everything explained to you at considerable length and on coming back with a vintage not-pology.
The egress is that-a-way.
no, nobody here is particularly shocked that fascists would lie about being socialists
also good to point out for someone just finding out about this:
(1) The name is a lie in the same way "the democratic people's republic of north korea" is. So Peckham is absolutely correct that the Nazis hated socialists and were not socialists, as evidenced by the fact that they tried to kill all of them.
(2) The modern version of this lie is pretending the Nazis were socialists, and it's a very common tactic in the far right. So Peckham is correct that we should not call them socialists, it's just that using the term "national socialist" doesn't actually imply you think they are socialists.
(3) They did spring originally from the fusing of former socialist idealogues with the far right. So as with many massively successful lies there is a distant evolutionary relationship to something true.
rare that we get to recurse the stubsack that rapidly
They want to ban kosher food and circumcision, but love the Israeli government and the war on Gaza, which says... so many things, about so many people.
@mii
I really didn't think the second part of "Those who don't learn history" was going to be so literal.
translation: thinking about this too much, or at all really, would be disastrous for my political ideology and ego, so someone else please waste their time and energy typing up a reply i won't read, so i can continue having the image of an intellectual engaged in vigorous debate without actually having to do anything
Imho that is just plausible deniability, just asking questions style shit. So news papers can keep writing 'his politics are so vague, we don't know' while he keeps unbanning fascists on twitter.
I suspect Elon's pretty comfortable with his political ideology and ego, tbh. But I agree with the second part.
Counterpoint, his entire "tweeting through it" public show he's been putting out is emblematic of a deeply insecure person.
ehh, probably